In defense of the owners

[csx]

Why do people try to achieve fairness? There is no fairness in this world. If there was was, our Panthers wouldn't suck so often!

This country used to admire rich people and hope to be one someday- not extort money from them because it's not fair!

One thing is for sure, nobody admires whiners who bitch about successful people.

[Rhys]

Why do people try to achieve fairness? There is no fairness in this world. If there was was, our Panthers wouldn't suck so often!

This country used to admire rich people and hope to be one someday- not extort money from them because it's not fair!

Wow. Just wow.

I fundamentally disagree with you.

[Lords0fPain]

Surprise! It takes a rich person to own an NFL team....who knew?

More importantly, who put the their money to expand and make the league what is today. They would like as big a return as they can get, as anyone else would.

Players make plenty of money to play a game (as well). Yes, its a collision sport, but I suspect they KNEW that before they CHOSE to become a football player on any level. There are a lot more professions (firefighter, policemen, military, etc) that make a lot less money but do more life endangering/saving duties than these spoiled players. But it's o.k., they choose the profession and they knew (or should have known) what is entailed and the wages it pays, but players (like teachers) are a special cases I guess...:rolleyes:

Then people complain that the owners are evil for raising prices??? Every business passes on the costs, taxes, etc to the customer. Its like any other business, and the goal it to make money off the money you risked, otherwise why do it?

[PrimeTyme]

This whole NFL vs NFLPA argument is about Trickle Down Economics

some people believe that the best way to run an economy is to make the rich richer (through tax breaks, bailouts for the rich, and deals like what the NFL owners want)

The thought is that if you keep making rich people richer they will eventually funnel that money to those with lower income through various methods like job creation

Those that don't believe in the Trickle Down method say don't give the money to the rich in hopes that it makes its way down to me, just give it directly to me.

The president does not attack the rich, he just doesnt subscribe to Reagonomics

[Rhys]

Trickle down economics is a joke. That mentality has led us to a ridiculous disparity between the wealthiest and the poor in our country.

Let me paste in a semi-relevant article based on a number of studies by Duke, Harvard, PEW, the census etc. on wealth distribution.

The United States is the most economically stratified society in the western world. As The Wall Street Journal reported, a recent study found that the top .01% or 14,000 American families hold 22.2% of wealth, and the bottom 90%, or over 133 million families, just 4% of the nation's wealth. The U.S. Census Bureau and the World Wealth Report 2010 both report increases for the top 5% of households even during the current recession. Based on Internal Revenue Service figures, the richest 1% have tripled their cut of America's income pie in one generation.

According to Paul Buchheit of DePaul University, some hedge fund managers made $4 billion annually. This is enough to pay the salaries of every public school teacher in New York City. In 1965, the average salary for a CEO of a major U.S. company was 25 times the salary of the average worker. Today, the average CEO's pay is more than 250 times the average worker's.

[Millions]

F**k these rich muthafukkas just wanna drink some beer and watch football on Sundays.

[Lords0fPain]

Gee, wonder how we became a super power sooo quickly, doing ALL WRONG??? Forget all those socialist countries that are going broke...

The premise in America is to use your skills, talent, and HARD WORK, to elevate yourself to where you want to be. We have billion dollar companies that started in garages. You want to see what we will be, look at Europe cause we are making the exact same mistakes they made. Trickle down does work, that is what gives people the motivation to take a chance rather than sitting on their arses for a government dole out...

BTW- I take college research (depending of subject matter) with a grain of salt, some are very liberal and some are very conservative. Usually 10 out 10 times their "research" reflects the professors (and colleges) line of political thinking...

Same with grant money, scientist don't get grant money to do fair research. It's a political game to prove (or disprove) what one party wants 9or don't want) that is in power. Usually, money is connected (and the end game) in some form or fashion, either form companies or tax payers or both.

[Rhys]

Gee, wonder how we became a super power sooo quickly, doing ALL WRONG??? Forget all those socialist countries that are going broke...

The premise in America is to use your skills, talent, and HARD WORK, to elevate yourself to where you want to be. We have billion dollar companies that started in garages. You want to see what we will be, look at Europe cause we are making the exact same mistakes they made. Trickle down does work, that is what gives people the motivation to take a chance rather than sitting on their arses for a government dole out...

BTW- I take college research (depending of subject matter) with a grain of salt, some are very liberal and some are very conservative. Usually 10 out 10 times their "research" reflects the professors (and colleges) line of political thinking...

Same with grant money, scientist don't get grant money to do fair research. It's a political game to prove (or disprove) what one party wants 9or don't want) that is in power. Usually, money is connected (and the end game) in some form or fashion, either form companies or tax payers or both.

I agree with you in ways. The thing is, greed is the overriding principle, and after hundreds of years people have figured out how to game the system. Politicians spend/raise enumerable amounts of money to get elected and get this funding by special interests in business and in labor. Money is political influence. That is why we have such economic disparity. It's also why we're slowly losing our grasp on being the best superpower around.

Trickle down doesn't work anymore, because it's not about sustainability or hard-work anymore once you're at the top. It's about greed, it's about making as much as you can as quickly as you can by any means regardless of anyone else. That's a generalization I know, and there are exceptions, but in large it is true or we wouldn't have such a disparity right now.

Using Europe as a reference is not helpful either, we need to strike our own balance here of regulation/economic freedom.

You're also viewing it as a black and white issue. Either we take this trickle-down big business favoring approach or everyone will sit on their ass waiting for a government hand-out. That's not how it is buddy, we need to find some middle ground. Businesses aren't looking out for sustainability past their own lives, that's why we outsource so much work to China. Because it's cheaper, and it will help your bottom line and your shareholders will be happy. On the flip side no one, outside of outlying radicals, want a wholly socialistic system where everything is divided equally. That doesn't make sense and never will because people aren't perfect and it destroys motivation in every way. We need billion dollar companies that start in garages, I think that's as great as you do.

[twylyght]

I hate this sh*t. It's such a farce.

'Billionaires are wealthy because they contributed value enough to society that is worth their billions.'

Then you back that up with a this piece of gold summation about why.

'People have what they have because they got it.'

Bullsh*t.

You live in a perfect world where people are compensated based on their value to society. You look at rich people and think to yourself they have their wealth because they contributed to society.

You cannot make broad generalizations like that. There are plenty of wealthy people who got their wealth by nefarious, but legal, means, or by being born into money, or getting lucky etc. It is possible for a person to work from nothing into wealth, but that is rare. Money begets money. In our country you can make a living moving money around to make more money.

Is JR a 'good' business man? Sure. One would have to say that based on his wealth. Does he deserve his money? Who the f*ck knows. Inventing Bojangles in my mind doesn't make a man deserve billions. It's a fugging chicken biscuit.

I'm waiting to hear about a better system. The world has lots to choose from and many of the socialist theories in play are falling apart before our eyes.

Also, you post stats like the top portion of the American populace holding so much of the wealth. Why not expand that notion to the world? You will find every bit of that disparity when you compare America to the rest of the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_distribution_of_wealth). How much of your own wealth would you contribute to right this wrong? Do you think that it is right for you to compel your neighbor to make the same moral judgments with their earnings as you have with yours? Are you willing to open your books with your neighbors on your street in order to distribute your earnings equally? Are your neighbors justified to take any means necessary to see their own visions of equality realized?

The owners have done far more to advance the NFL than any player or fan will ever understand. That said, I can think of no one else more deserving of the lion's share of the monies generated by the league than them.

[The Saltman]

mmmmm chicken Biscuitttt

[twylyght]

K you go bed now rest brain

Once again, subtlety is not your forte... next time I will write it out this way for you:

Me dun pickin on weetahds fo dee naht

[JJT]

Y'all would be a lot richer if you'd spend your time thinking about what you ought to be doing instead of what everyone else ought to be doing.

[The Saltman]

Y'all would be a lot richer if you'd spend your time thinking about what you ought to be doing instead of what everyone else ought to be doing.

We all might be a lot richer if we didnt post on the carolinahuddle.com while at work. :D

[SorthNarolina]

I just see the juxtaposition of those who criticize the players for being so rich when many of them don't make $1M in their whole NFL career.

Let's be honest. The owners are lying to you when they say the NFL is losing money.

That can be true but I don't get what their possessions have to do with this. Are we supposed to be mad at them for having nice things? Do their large mansions make them devious or is it their character?