T minus more than 3 minutes

[riddel]

5pm eastern time decertification deadline

[Squirrel]

how do they get a deal done if they cant recertify or whatever?

Like they did in 87. Through the courts.

[Highlandfire]

Every player negotiates their own deal with the owner...it would mean a lot more cost to the owners....no caps...no restrictions...market bears all!

And legally owners can not sign anyone. Now they will scream collusion but good luck proving it.

What it really means is this front of 32 owners united goes to poo real quick. You will see Jacksonville, Buffalo etc fold as they can't pay what other teams do. Next you will see a 4-5 teams always getting in and winning the Superbowl as those teams will always outbid others for free agents.

Get ready for it to be Dallas vs. NE every year for the Superbowl.

[Highlandfire]

Like they did in 87. Through the courts.

Yeah and free agency didn't take effect till 1993. So bottom line it will be a hand full of owners running the league while the rest of us doing poo till a new CBA can be done.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Every player negotiates their own deal with the owner...it would mean a lot more cost to the owners....no caps...no restrictions...market bears all!

Haves and have nots.....NY...Dallas...New England...and other big markets with lots of money win....everyone else loses.

it'll turn out to be a nightmare...for the players.

ultimately, the market is set by the owners.

[Highlandfire]

And the kicker is the draft. No rookie salary cap so we will be giving up 55 mill in guaranteed to a rookie. now something I want to know, before the CBA Teams owned a players rights for 3 seasons if they chose not to join the team after the draft (see players who went to the USFL). Does that come back?

doesn't it also mean all of these tags go away immediately as well? fug, Payton Manning will be a free agent! Get it done JR lol! :-)

[Highlandfire]

Ok less than 40 min for the NFLPA to be in court.

[Jackofalltrades]

Every player negotiates their own deal with the owner...it would mean a lot more cost to the owners....no caps...no restrictions...market bears all!

Haves and have nots.....NY...Dallas...New England...and other big markets with lots of money win....everyone else loses.

That's if there's an uncapped year, not if they decertify the union.

[riddel]

it'll turn out to be a nightmare...for the players.

ultimately, the market is set by the owners.

No. It means that salaries will get out of control and players who don't warrant big dollars will get paid.

On a positive note, veteran minimums will be gone, so vets won't be forced into retirement. They will have the option to play for less and that means teams will retain players longer...I really like this option.

[MHS831]

i am guessing a deadline extension?

[MHS831]

Do they have the same leverage the Union did in 87? What do the players as a whole have to gain from this?

[Highlandfire]

No. It means that salaries will get out of control and players who don't warrant big dollars will get paid.

On a positive note, veteran minimums will be gone, so vets won't be forced into retirement. They will have the option to play for less and that means teams will retain players longer...I really like this option.

The Veteran minimum was put into place to keep vets from getting screwed. If they are at the point they need to be paid less than 800k they need to retire.

That said, this is going to destroy the league as we know it and really they are going to destroy the game as a whole.

There will be 4-6 teams that can afford to pay top dollar, this means they will always have the best talent and will always dominate. Fans of other teams will say 'fug it' since their team cant compete. Also I am telling you Buffalo and Jacksonville won't be able to sustain at all. I don't see the panthers as one that will compete.

Also draft salaries are gonna get WAY out of hand, even worse than we see right now. For the league as a whole and the fans as a whole, this will be a disaster.

[riddel]

The Veteran minimum was put into place to keep vets from getting screwed. If they are at the point they need to be paid less than 800k they need to retire.

That said, this is going to destroy the league as we know it and really they are going to destroy the game as a whole.

There will be 4-6 teams that can afford to pay top dollar, this means they will always have the best talent and will always dominate. Fans of other teams will say 'fug it' since their team cant compete. Also I am telling you Buffalo and Jacksonville won't be able to sustain at all. I don't see the panthers as one that will compete.

Also draft salaries are gonna get WAY out of hand, even worse than we see right now. For the league as a whole and the fans as a whole, this will be a disaster.

There are vets that retire because nobody wants to pay the $. There are players every year that want to play, but can't find teams, due to the vet min. I would have liked to see S. Alexander, E. James, Harrison, I could go on for a while...not be forced into retirement because no one wanted to pay vet min...they all could have still helped a team.

The rest of your post, you backed up what I was saying about no union....the players win.

By the way, you know vet mins are for the players right? Wow....you really jump around on issues.

[Highlandfire]

There are vets that retire because nobody wants to pay the $. There are players every year that want to play, but can't find teams, due to the vet min. I would have liked to see S. Alexander, E. James, Harrison, I could go on for a while...not be forced into retirement because no one wanted to pay vet min...they all could have still helped a team.

The rest of your post, you backed up what I was saying about no union....the players win.

By the way, you know vet mins are for the players right? Wow....you really jump around on issues.

And the fans lose.

and Yes I know the vet minimums all you gotta do is use that wonderful thing called google.