Drafting a QB #1 is a Smokescreen

[bleys]

Wow. I'm even more confused than I was before. Anyway, I just don't think anybody is going to trade up to get Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert, unless one of those guys is really that good. And if that's the case, then why shouldn't we just draft the guy ourselves?

That's a lot simpler than all of this cloak and dagger stuff, but it's much more likely, IMO.

nothing about the NFL is simple.. trust me, there is a world out there that exists where cloak and dagger is necessary. this isn't your 9-5 job where you know when to take lunch and when you take a break. mind games do exist.

and straight up, condensed version: just because the Bengals think Gabbert/Newton are the best picks doesn't mean anyone else does. And to not take advantage of that is not trying to get the best situation possible.

which then means, you are drafting someone else at #1, when you could have grabbed an extra pick.

And if you aren't trying to get the best possible situation, you don't belong in the NFL...

[TheRealDeal]

FTR, Monstercat goes on the record a lot.

[monstercat]

nothing about the NFL is simple.. trust me, there is a world out there that exists where cloak and dagger is necessary. this isn't your 9-5 job where you know when to take lunch and when you take a break. mind games do exist.

and straight up, condensed version: just because the Bengals think Gabbert/Newton are the best picks doesn't mean anyone else does. And to not take advantage of that is not trying to get the best situation possible.

which then means, you are drafting someone else at #1, when you could have grabbed an extra pick.

And if you aren't trying to get the best possible situation, you don't belong in the NFL...

But if the Bengals like either one of those guys enough to be willing to trade up already, then why do we need to pretend that we like them too, when we can just say nothing and they will have to deal with us anyway? You see what I'm saying? They can't afford wait to see who we take on draft day, if they want a player that badly because we might just pick their guy. All the pressure is already on them anyway.

[TheRealDeal]

Not if they think we have no chance of taking him.

[bleys]

But if the Bengals like either one of those guys enough to be willing to trade up already, then why do we need to pretend that we like them too, when we can just say nothing and they will have to deal with us anyway? You see what I'm saying? They can't afford wait to see who we take on draft day, if they want a player that badly because we might just pick their guy. All the pressure is already on them anyway.

I see what you mean.. and it's a good point.. but what if you want Denver to think you want Peterson and that is who they want?

you are singling out maybe a better offer?

most media think Peterson is #1, and there is a good reason for us to take him.. even if it's just to make Denver think we want him..

We have never came right out to say who we want.. so it leaves a lot more teams questioning our motives..

hell, what if Fairley is a major need for a team.. each one of those players can be linked to us, and no FO really knows what we want to do, so they all have to play our game..

[monstercat]

Not if they think we have no chance of taking him.

Well how could they think that if we just kept quiet about the whole thing? We have holes all over the place, so our pick could be one of about 7-8 different players. Unless we have traitors in the Panthers organization, then nobody will know who the pick is.

Whatever though, you're the one with years of experience with scouting QB's manipulating the NFL draft, right?

[bleys]

Well how could they think that if we just kept quiet about the whole thing? We have holes all over the place, so our pick could be one of about 7-8 different players. Unless we have traitors in the Panthers organization, then nobody will know who the pick is.

Whatever though, you're the one with years of experience with scouting QB's manipulating the NFL draft, right?

we are being quiet about the whole thing... the only public thing we have said is there are 7 players we are evaluating.. oh, and Cam is a fine fella.

;)

[monstercat]

I see what you mean.. and it's a good point.. but what if you want Denver to think you want Peterson and that is who they want?

you are singling out maybe a better offer?

most media think Peterson is #1, and there is a good reason for us to take him.. even if it's just to make Denver think we want him..

We have never came right out to say who we want.. so it leaves a lot more teams questioning our motives..

hell, what if Fairley is a major need for a team.. each one of those players can be linked to us, and no FO really knows what we want to do, so they all have to play our game..

Honestly, I doubt the Panthers FO even know what they want yet. Like Catman said in the other thread, there is still a long way to go and a lot of pro days to attend before the draft. Their draft board could change 3-4 times between now and then.

[bleys]

Honestly, I doubt the Panthers FO even know what they want yet. Like Catman said in the other thread, there is still a long way to go and a lot of pro days to attend before the draft. Their draft board could change 3-4 times between now and then.

well, I said that exact thing a few pages before.. (IIRC) ;)

but that doesn't have anything to do with throwing misinformation around.. we aren't the ones saying it, any one of 32 teams could be..

then again, we don't know who said it..

[TheRealDeal]

I've never claimed to do either of those things.

You have conversations like a unstable female.

[monstercat]

I've never claimed to do either of those things.

You have conversations like a unstable female.

What the hell are you even talking about? I beleive you have taken a few too many blows to the head.

[riddel]

This whole thread went alien on me....I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about now....I must be in a cloud of smoke....:hand:

[sml1950]

The idea of whether a player is worth the #1 pick goes completely out the window when you put a QB into the equation. This is a QB league and any team would be foolish to pick a potential HOF player at another position over a potential better than average QB. All of the top ten drafting teams are there because they don't have a competent QB or one that was injured. It only takes one of these teams to chase Newton, especially with a rookie scale certain to be part of the new CBA.

At this point, Buffalo has been most vocal for drafting Cam. This puts Denver in the cat's bird seat, for a team wanting to trade up for him. To trump Denver, we have to show interest, to make a team concerned that he won't be there at #2.

[riddel]

the idea of whether a player is worth the #1 pick goes completely out the window when you put a qb into the equation. This is a qb league and any team would be foolish to pick a potential hof player at another position over a potential better than average qb. All of the top ten drafting teams are there because they don't have a competent qb or one that was injured. It only takes one of these teams to chase newton, especially with a rookie scale certain to be part of the new cba.

At this point, buffalo has been most vocal for drafting cam. This puts denver in the cat's bird seat, for a team wanting to trade up for him. To trump denver, we have to show interest, to make a team concerned that he won't be there at #2.

there! There it is!

The smoke!!!!