Drafting a QB #1 is a Smokescreen

[riddel]

But it also keeps us from having to commit to a multi-year deal with a free agent QB. This is a one year tender. It is perfect if you are intending on drafting and developing a QB for one year.

If they TRULY loved Matt they would give him a 3 year extension.

I know the CBA plays into that also but don't read too much into the tender

The Matt Moore tender is only a part of why I believe we don't draft a QB #1. I had 4 reasons in my original post and all of the reasons were my opinion. I don't see the point in tendering a guy that you intend to let go. That's just my opinion, especially with all the cutting and releasing going on around the league.

If the Panthers are in search of a franchise Qb, then why tender Moore when you have Clausen there already to serve as your backup?

[panthers55]

The FO knows that the tenders aren't likely to stick. It basicallly is a "why not do it" proposition in case they are upheld. Plus there may be a provision which says that while the RFA rule won't apply, you will have a period of time to sign them before they become unrestricted free agents. It makes sense to tender everyone you hope to keep as well as those who other teams might want.

It could mean we want him to stay or not. We will actually be paying Moore better than Clausen this year. I wonder if we let them battle it out and cut the guy who struggles. What if the new regime likes Moore better than Clausen??

Lots of unknowns at this point. Reading too much into anything sets you up for disappointment down the road.

[teeray]

The Matt Moore tender is only a part of why I believe we don't draft a QB #1. I had 4 reasons in my original post and all of the reasons were my opinion. I don't see the point in tendering a guy that you intend to let go. That's just my opinion, especially with all the cutting and releasing going on around the league.

If the Panthers are in search of a franchise Qb, then why tender Moore when you have Clausen there already to serve as your backup?

I responded to all of that in your original post. I also said you could be right.

You tender Moore bc even if you draft a QB number 1 he isn't going to start day one. This gives you more options and allows a player like Newton who will need time to develop, that time. Then after one year you can let Matt walk.

The Panthers will bring 3 QBs in next year. It looks like Matt and Clausen will be two of them. The third is still an unknown and very well could be a drafted QB.

Plus the Panthers themselves may not know what they are going to do in the draft; so Matt is an insurance policy in case they do go in a different direction on draft day.

So it isn't something that should be over analyzed because it could mean anything which means it really means nothing.

If they really love Matt he will get a multi-year extension after the CBA is resolved.

[panthers55]

Exactly. If we make teams believe we will take a player that they covet, Buffalo and Newton, then we may force their hand. It happens all the time.

I don't see the Panthers drafting a QB #1, but they can't let the rest of the NFL know that. If Luck were there, we would have already announced the #1 pick. Most teams that have the #1 pick make it known very early who they will pick. I seriously doubt anyone will know the #1 pick in this years draft before it's announced. I also seriously doubt that if the Panthers pick #1 overall, then a Qb will be selected, unless a trade is already been worked out with Buffalo, Cincy or Zona.

:ciappa:

No one is in worse shape regarding a Qb then we are. Cincy might be close if Palmer refuses to play but really there aren't many teams that would even want to trade up let alone feel compelled to move up this year. As time drags on without a CBA, the desire to sign a rookie QB will go down. If nothing happens before the draft I suspect that the stock of all the QBs will go down.

[TheRealDeal]

If they really love Matt he will get a multi-year extension after the CBA is resolved.

No they won't. That's bad business for them. IF the tender holds, why not just pay him 3mil for one year and wait. They can always extend him in the middle of the year but it's bad business to throw money at him beforehand.

Moore will get a lot of interest, and has already, from other teams this offseason, tender or not.

[riddel]

No they won't. That's bad business for them. IF the tender holds, why not just pay him 3mil for one year and wait. They can always extend him in the middle of the year but it's bad business to throw money at him beforehand.

Moore will get a lot of interest, and has already, from other teams this offseason, tender or not.

Well there you have it....I didn't realize Moore was in demand.

Still don't believe the Panthers go #1 with a Qb....too risky.

[riddel]

No one is in worse shape regarding a Qb then we are. Cincy might be close if Palmer refuses to play but really there aren't many teams that would even want to trade up let alone feel compelled to move up this year. As time drags on without a CBA, the desire to sign a rookie QB will go down. If nothing happens before the draft I suspect that the stock of all the QBs will go down.

ESPN had a segment yesterday on which teams need a QB. The Panthers were not even mentioned. Cincy was number 1, Zona, Buffalo, Washington and I believe San Fran were all mentioned....no Carolina. That tells me that nobody believes the Panthers would take a Qb with that pick.

I understand that there are workouts in March that will definately affect the Panther's draft opinion and I feel like they will never tip their hand on the #1 pick. I feel like they are going to do whatever they can to trade down, if they can find someone to trade down with them.

[teeray]

No they won't. That's bad business for them. IF the tender holds, why not just pay him 3mil for one year and wait. They can always extend him in the middle of the year but it's bad business to throw money at him beforehand.

Moore will get a lot of interest, and has already, from other teams this offseason, tender or not.

I agree and that is what i was saying essentially. The tender shows that they don't want him to walk but it isn't professing our love for him either. It is to keep as many options open until the QB position is fixed.

The tender could mean many different things but i don't think you can read into it and gain any true insight in regards to our draft strategy.

[teeray]

ESPN had a segment yesterday on which teams need a QB. The Panthers were not even mentioned. Cincy was number 1, Zona, Buffalo, Washington and I believe San Fran were all mentioned....no Carolina. That tells me that nobody believes the Panthers would take a Qb with that pick.

I understand that there are workouts in March that will definately affect the Panther's draft opinion and I feel like they will never tip their hand on the #1 pick. I feel like they are going to do whatever they can to trade down, if they can find someone to trade down with them.

Yeah but for that one segment there are dozens of others that say we do.

Again you may be right but I think at this point nobody really knows.

[TheRealDeal]

I agree and that is what i was saying essentially. The tender shows that they don't want him to walk but it isn't professing our love for him either. It is to keep as many options open until the QB position is fixed.

The tender could mean many different things but i don't think you can read into it and gain any true insight in regards to our draft strategy.

All it means is Moore will have a chance to compete here, if nothing else changes. Some people didn't even think he'd get that.

[mav1234]

Why exactly does it matter if ESPN includes us in a segment on who needs a quarterback?

Their rationale for why we don't is probably that JR is too cheap to pay one. ESPN is clueless about this team and I would caution you against using the lack of Panthers coverage in a segment to base an opinion on our draft status.

[DaCityKats]

He has done and shown more than kevin kolb.

[teeray]

All it means is Moore will have a chance to compete here, if nothing else changes. Some people didn't even think he'd get that.

Honestly (and i told you this earlier this week I think) he was the FA "vet" I wanted all along.

[riddel]

Why exactly does it matter if ESPN includes us in a segment on who needs a quarterback?

Their rationale for why we don't is probably that JR is too cheap to pay one. ESPN is clueless about this team and I would caution you against using the lack of Panthers coverage in a segment to base an opinion on our draft status.

I didn't. I formed my opinion based on the 4 points I made during the openning of the thread. I combined these points and came up with an opinion. None of the points are stand alone points, simply points that lead to my opinion.

My Matt Moore point seems to have blown up a bit seeing as he has value to other teams, to tendering him makes perfect sense, but it still seems a bit risky if the tender sticks and we are stuck with $3 million contract and we don't even intend to play the guy, so I still think it has some merit.

The ESPN and mock drafts are several opinions combined and for the most part NONE of those opinions point to us taking a QB with the #1 pick. You have to give those some merit. If professionals don't believe we will pull the trigger on a Qb at #1, then chances are, we won't.

Richardson being set on Luck is another big trigger to me, that we won't draft another Qb at #1. What Luck did was a slap in the face to Richardson. Picking another Qb that has less value than Luck with the #1 pick doesn't make sense, even if we need a Qb, although the media and draft anaylists say differently.

The sure pick senerio is probably the biggest trigger. There is not a sure pick at Qb. There are several sure picks at other positions. Why stretch at the #1 pick for a Qb? It's too risky.

That's why I believe we are showing that we are open to drafting a Qb number one and have a real need, but we have no intention of doing it. Buffalo, Cincy and Zona may get desperate and let us trade down.