Newton: Shit just hit the Fan..

[C47]

For someone who claims to have seen film on all these guys it would be pretty clear in regards to his ability to make plays in the open field. Are you admitting you haven't watched film??

How does a guy that can't do those things run for 1400 yards in a major conference??

You said film was more important than measurables right?? Are you changing that line of thinking now?? I'm confused :confused: :confused:

I think I have been pretty fair in this whole thing. I have a guy I want to pick and I defend him but i try to do it with being honest and fair. I don't think I have really attacked any other prospect. So why the beef??

The problem with bringing up Cam's running ability is two fold.

1. Cam's passing ability by NFL standards is extremely weak so on passing downs teams can still only single cover receivers and key in on Cam's running.

2. Cam's not going to get 19 rushing attempts a game in the NFL.

[monstercat]

For someone who claims to have seen film on all these guys it would be pretty clear in regards to his ability to make plays in the open field. Are you admitting you haven't watched film??

How does a guy that can't do those things run for 1400 yards in a major conference??

You said film was more important than measurables right?? Are you changing that line of thinking now?? I'm confused :confused: :confused:

I think I have been pretty fair in this whole thing. I have a guy I want to pick and I defend him but i try to do it with being honest and fair. I don't think I have really attacked any other prospect. So why the beef??

Yeah, where is all this film of Gabbert making spectatular plays? Pretty much all I've seen so far is a bunch of quick short throws that were predetermined before the snap. He may be a good QB and a good athlete but there is no way in hell he's gonna be able to hit a perdetermined WR 75% of the time in the NFL. That's a recipe for lots of INT's.

[TheRealDeal]

For someone who claims to have seen film on all these guys it would be pretty clear in regards to his ability to make plays in the open field. Are you admitting you haven't watched film??

How does a guy that can't do those things run for 1400 yards in a major conference??

You said film was more important than measurables right?? Are you changing that line of thinking now?? I'm confused :confused: :confused:

I think I have been pretty fair in this whole thing. I have a guy I want to pick and I defend him but i try to do it with being honest and fair. I don't think I have really attacked any other prospect. So why the beef??

I don't have any beef with you. I think you guys as a group are a bunch of idiots that have a crush like a 13 year old girl on Bieber but I wouldn't call it beef. That'd be like Eminem beefing with the Jonas Brothers, ya'll are clowns.

That being, I just like how you guys change your arguments on why to draft Cam.

Here's the progression:

Very Accurate, Great footwork, superior athletic ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, winner, heisman winner, changed and humbled man

There goes the Heisman and winner arguments.

Very Accurate, Great footwork, superior athletic ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, changed and humbled man.

There goes the footwork argument

Very Accurate, Superior Athletic Ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, Changed and Humbled Man

There goes accuracy and superior athletic ability

5% Body fat, great running vision, changed and humbled man

There goes the humbled and changed man argument

5% Body Fat & Great running vision

Is that any reason to draft a QB, let alone at #1? How do you know Gabbert doesn't have great running vision? You guys have all claimed to see his accuracy, footwork, leadership, (hip new trait), etc on film and it was wrong every single time. Now something that you can't measure comes along and you have claimed to seen this on tape. Sorry for not getting so excited over it.

[C47]

Yeah, where is all this film of Gabbert making spectatular plays? Pretty much all I've seen so far is a bunch of quick short throws that were predetermined before the snap. He may be a good QB and a good athlete but there is no way in hell he's gonna be able to hit a perdetermined WR 75% of the time in the NFL. That's a recipe for lots of INT's.

Cam's throws were predominately to a predetermined WR as well FWIW....

[teeray]

The problem with bringing up Cam's running ability is two fold.

1. Cam's passing ability by NFL standards is extremely weak so on passing downs teams can still only single cover receivers and key in on Cam's running.

2. Cam's not going to get 19 rushing attempts a game in the NFL.

This is true but keep in mind. They will be taking a big risk on defense if they blitz willy nilly on third down because if they don't get him it will be big plays and possibly touchdowns.

When they do drop back into coverage they will have to have a spy. So one less guy in coverage makes bigger windows to throw into.

They will have to stay on weak side in zones. Just bc their are no potential receivers on that side of the field they will still have to cover it.

Cam may not be Tom Brady in terms of throwing the ball but he isn't incapable. If you don't rush the passer and just try to contain the pocket he will still pick you apart.

19 rushes a game would be way too many. I would rather see what The Golden Calf of Bristol did in his three starts in regard to rushing. He had around 8-10 rushes a game and averaged 66 yards per game rushing and had 3 tds in 3 games. That sounds like a more workable average per game.

Plus if he is as hard of a worker as everyone around him says he is, when (or if) he does improve his passing he will be virtually unstoppable.

That is the future that excites me.

[teeray]

I don't have any beef with you. I think you guys as a group are a bunch of idiots that have a crush like a 13 year old girl on Bieber but I wouldn't call it beef. That'd be like Eminem beefing with the Jonas Brothers, ya'll are clowns.

That being, I just like how you guys change your arguments on why to draft Cam.

Here's the progression:

Very Accurate, Great footwork, superior athletic ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, winner, heisman winner, changed and humbled man

There goes the Heisman and winner arguments.

Very Accurate, Great footwork, superior athletic ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, changed and humbled man.

There goes the footwork argument

Very Accurate, Superior Athletic Ability, 5% body fat, great running vision, Changed and Humbled Man

There goes accuracy and superior athletic ability

5% Body fat, great running vision, changed and humbled man

There goes the humbled and changed man argument

5% Body Fat & Great running vision

Is that any reason to draft a QB, let alone at #1? How do you know Gabbert doesn't have great running vision? You guys have all claimed to see his accuracy, footwork, leadership, (hip new trait), etc on film and it was wrong every single time. Now something that you can't measure comes along and you have claimed to seen this on tape. Sorry for not getting so excited over it.

You know what is truly amazing about that. As you say the arguments for him are regressing, he is going up and up and up and up the draft boards.

As I said they would 6 weeks ago. Remember when you said he would be second round at best??

The reason I was right is bc I had done my homework. I had already seen some of the things that are just now coming out about the kid in terms of film.

I was one of the first to say he would be a top ten pick. then I was the first to say he might even go to buffalo at 3, and I have said from day one that he would be in the very conversation we have been having now about number 1 overall.

So if we are so wrong why does his stock keep going up??

[Swarly]

who said Cam had 5% bodyfat? lololol

[monstercat]

I think you guys as a group are a bunch of idiots that have a crush like a 13 year old girl on Bieber but I wouldn't call it beef. That'd be like Eminem beefing with the Jonas Brothers, ya'll are clowns.

What a shocker, now you're attacking our credibility and name calling. I don't even know what the rest of that insane rambling of a post was supposed to be about, but I'm pretty sure a room full of monkeys could have made a better argument.

Once again, almost every NFL analyst out there is saying that the sky is the limit for Cam Newton, as long as he's willing to work hard, while you're saying that he's so bad that there is no chance for him to succeed. Why should I believe your opinion over Mike Mayocks'.

[TheRealDeal]

As I said they would 6 weeks ago. Remember when you said he would be second round at best??

You have gotten your response lessons from KT I see. Ignore all points of the post and make some other outrageous claims.

He is 100% a second round player, just like The Golden Calf of Bristol was, but that doesn't mean that's where he will be drafted.

Please quote my post in it's entirety that says he will be drafted in the second round at best.

I will state again, he is a second round talent but someone will reach for him.

The only thing that he has that is better than Gabbert is less body fat and a better smile, both great reasons to draft him :rolleyes:

[TheRealDeal]

Once again, almost every NFL analyst out there is saying that the sky is the limit for Cam Newton, as long as he's willing to work hard, while you're saying that he's so bad that there is no chance for him to succeed. Why should I believe your opinion over Mike Mayocks'.

Where did I say he's so bad that there is no chance for him to succeed?

My opinion of him has not changed throughout this whole process because I don't need other people to tell me what to think.

If you want proof, I told you before any of this process began that he wasn't that quick or fast (compared to Vick), his accuracy was questionable at best, and his footwork was absolutely horrendous. Now other people are saying it. I need to stop posting in public forums so ESPN will have to actually do their own fuking research.

I'll say it again for your tiny little brain, I'm not saying he has no chance to be a successful QB in the NFL, but he's nothing close to being the #1 draft pick in terms of discernible NFL talent.

[micnificent28]

You have gotten your response lessons from KT I see. Ignore all points of the post and make some other outrageous claims.

He is 100% a second round player, just like The Golden Calf of Bristol was, but that doesn't mean that's where he will be drafted.

Please quote my post in it's entirety that says he will be drafted in the second round at best.

I will state again, he is a second round talent but someone will reach for him.

The only thing that he has that is better than Gabbert is less body fat and a better smile, both great reasons to draft him :rolleyes:

you don't really believe gabbert can make all the same plays cam can with his feet do you?

[Millions]

You honestly believe he's a second round prospect with his skill set and high ceiling? you're opinion everyone has one but damn...

[TheRealDeal]

you don't really believe gabbert can make all the same plays cam can with his feet do you?

Why not?

He's as fast and as quick and is more of a threat throwing the ball.

To me that means it would be easier for him to make plays running the ball since they actually have to respect that aspect of his game.

The point is it's incredibly sad that his fanboys have to stoop this low to find a positive argument as to why Cam is better or maybe not even better but why he should be the pick.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

All I want to know is he doesn't pan out will you people have the guts to man up like SLJ and many others have on this forum that have hardons for certain things and been proven wrong? That is how you truly earn the respect of people here.