Newton: Shit just hit the Fan..

[MHS831]

Exactly what are the differences between Gabbert and Newton ?

How are they the same?

Both are ideal QB size (especially for this offense)

Both came from spread offenses

Both ran the 40 in the 4.6 range

Both have strong arms

Both are athletic, running, mobile QBs

What are the differences?

Gabbert has more starting collegiate experience

Gabbert had an inferior supporting cast

Gabbert has no character concerns

What do we not know:

Who is more accurate passer?

Who is more intelligent?

Who is the best leader?

It seems to me that Gabbert has the upper hand in areas where they are different or in areas that are undetermined. Gabbert is barely getting mentioned.

[Millions]

Cam's not elusive? you're right he's not Vick he has power AND speed.

If he puts in the work to make his weaknesses his strengths he will be a star QB.

[MHS831]

Cam's not elusive? you're right he's not Vick he has power AND speed.

If he puts in the work to make his weaknesses his strengths he will be a star QB.

I agree with this statement. I think the concern is that he thinks he is great already, has character issues that could be magnified by money. If he puts the work in to become great, that means to me that he has been humbled a bit and he is driven by the right stuff. In other words, between the ears. If he gets that right and money doesn't ruin him, sure. Intelligence plays a role, and his actions and comments have been rather dumb. If you make dumb decisions in life, you will make them when you have less than 1 second to decide in a game.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

Cam's not elusive? you're right he's not Vick he has power AND speed.

If he puts in the work to make his weaknesses his strengths he will be a star QB.

You act like he is as fast as Vick. A 4.5 is not a 4.3 #1. Vick also had no character issues coming out of college to begin with.

Cam's biggest weakeness isn't even on the field and I don't see him changing anytime soon. It took Vick 2 years in prison for his attitude to change.

[teeray]

Exactly what are the differences between Gabbert and Newton ?

How are they the same?

Both are ideal QB size (especially for this offense)

Both came from spread offenses

Both ran the 40 in the 4.6 range

Both have strong arms

Both are athletic, running, mobile QBs

What are the differences?

Gabbert has more starting collegiate experience

Gabbert had an inferior supporting cast

Gabbert has no character concerns

What do we not know:

Who is more accurate of a passer?

Who is more intelligent?

Who is the best leader?

It seems to me that Gabbert has the upper hand in areas where they are different or in areas that are undetermined. Gabbert is barely getting mentioned.

Cam has the ability to make things happen with his feet while he continues to improve in those other areas.

Gabbert impressed me with his athleticism at the combine but he isn't as shifty and doesn't have the same abilities in the open field that Cam does.

As far as intelligence and leadership qualities i don't think Cam is lacking in those areas. Everyone around him at Blinn and Auburn think he was a great leader on the field. Gabby might be ahead in football intelligence right now but I think Cam is a really hard worker and will get there. Maybe not as soon as Gabby but when he does get there he will be a better football player.

But if the FO wants Gabby he will be my new favorite player :patriot:

[teeray]

You act like he is as fast as Vick. A 4.5 is not a 4.3 #1. Vick also had no character issues coming out of college to begin with.

Cam's biggest weakeness isn't even on the field and I don't see him changing anytime soon. It took Vick 2 years in prison for his attitude to change.

First comparing buying a stolen laptop to killing dogs is apples and oranges.

Plus you act like Vick is 250 pounds. NFL players are great and Cam won't run ram shod like he did in college. But when the NFL linebackers catch him they are going to have to form tackle the guy. There won't be any arm tackling on Cam. To put it in perspective, Cam is bigger than any linebacker on our roster right now.

So Vick is faster but Cam will have a lot more yards after contact and I think that cancels each other out.

[MHS831]

Cam has the ability to make things happen with his feet while he continues to improve in those other areas.

Gabbert impressed me with his athleticism at the combine but he isn't as shifty and doesn't have the same abilities in the open field that Cam does.

As far as intelligence and leadership qualities i don't think Cam is lacking in those areas. Everyone around him at Blinn and Auburn think he was a great leader on the field. Gabby might be ahead in football intelligence right now but I think Cam is a really hard worker and will get there. Maybe not as soon as Gabby but when he does get there he will be a better football player.

But if the FO wants Gabby he will be my new favorite player :patriot:

Gabbert can run. TO what degree is that important? A QB who can run really well developed that skill out of necessity and it becomes a crutch that takes over when his brain should. Running QBs don't last in the NFL.

About football intelligence--I think that is the biggest issue with cam. Not necessarily his smarts, but his decision making. He has done and said things that show maybe he didn't think it through. Thinking that could reflect attitude, and inflated self image, etc. In a game, he will have to make hundreds of split second decisions. I do not trust him to do that right now. Gabbert is athletic, but the difference between running and mobility is huge and not predicated on 40 yard dashes. Cam ran a lot more in college. That could mean that he couldn't read the coverages and took off.

Gabbert has his critics in this area too. Supposedly he locked onto or stared down WRs. However, I am impressed by the development and progress from Sophomore to Junior year. He got much better. He started checking down and threw to the TE more--something Rivera/Chud want to do.

[micnificent28]

Exactly what are the differences between Gabbert and Newton ?

How are they the same?

Both are ideal QB size (especially for this offense)

Both came from spread offenses

Both ran the 40 in the 4.6 range

Both have strong arms

Both are athletic, running, mobile QBs

What are the differences?

Gabbert has more starting collegiate experience

Gabbert had an inferior supporting cast

Gabbert has no character concerns

What do we not know:

Who is more accurate of a passer?

Who is more intelligent?

Who is the best leader?

It seems to me that Gabbert has the upper hand in areas where they are different or in areas that are undetermined. Gabbert is barely getting mentioned.

All your posting is Gabberts good qualities and none for cam. We don't even know how accurate gabbert is because he didn't have the balls to throw. get over your cam hate buddy.

[C47]

All your posting is Gabberts good qualities and none for cam. We don't even know how accurate gabbert is because he didn't have the balls to throw. get over your cam hate buddy.

He already said we don't know who's more accurate.....reading comprehension ftw!

[micnificent28]

You act like he is as fast as Vick. A 4.5 is not a 4.3 #1. Vick also had no character issues coming out of college to begin with.

Cam's biggest weakeness isn't even on the field and I don't see him changing anytime soon. It took Vick 2 years in prison for his attitude to change.

Because he's black his attitude is like vick and it'll take him as long as vick?:confused:

[Millions]

I've searched but can't find any knocks from his college days of people questioning his work ethic everything I read in that regard is positive. Especially the quotes teeray posted a couple days ago forgot which thread it was in though.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

First comparing buying a stolen laptop to killing dogs is apples and oranges.

Plus you act like Vick is 250 pounds. NFL players are great and Cam won't run ram shod like he did in college. But when the NFL linebackers catch him they are going to have to form tackle the guy. There won't be any arm tackling on Cam. To put it in perspective, Cam is bigger than any linebacker on our roster right now.

So Vick is faster but Cam will have a lot more yards after contact and I think that cancels each other out.

Actually.. I was talking about his massive immaturity and ego. It took Vick years to grow up. Honestly the best comparsions is Young. Carried himself the same way, same body composition same speed. I see him about having the same career.

I do not want the distractions Cam Newton will bring to an organization.

[monstercat]

I think a lot of people have a hard time trusting Gabbert because his production wasn't even as good as Chase Daniels.

As far as the athleticism...I don't care how Gabbert did in the testing, he is not the same athlete that Cam is when you you put the pads on them.

Having said that though, if he's the Panthers pick, then I will be a Blaine Gabbert fan as long as he's here.

[micnificent28]

He already said we don't know who's more accurate.....reading comprehension ftw!

I didn't say he did say that...you need to work your comprehension friend, the only reason anyone is saying gabbert is better is because they assume he's more accurate because he hasn't thrown.