D-Will a UFA

[Lumps]

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Your post? or Woodies?

You can't put a price on dwill and just assume we'd only get a 4th for him, when teams are desperate they will give you more. Fact is that only if we got a 7th (and the given 3rd) for him, its more than zero.

This is a problem for this FO, in general throughout it's history, it isn't just this case. This case just adds to the fire.

[Darth Urious]

Your post? or Woodies?

You can't put a price on dwill and just assume we'd only get a 4th for him, when teams are desperate they will give you more. Fact is that only if we got a 7th for him, its more than zero.

This is a problem for this FO, in general throughout it's history, it isn't just this case. This case just adds to the fire.

either/or...

We'll at least get some kind of compensation for him from the league itself... most likely the highest available compensatory pick (3rd round), much like we will for Pep this year...

That's even better than a 4th rounder... It isn't the end of the world if he leaves for "nothing"... Although I agree it will be a bad move overall, as I don't have the faith in Goodson that many here have...

[Lumps]

either/or...

We'll at least get some kind of compensation for him from the league itself... most likely the highest available compensatory pick (3rd round), much like we will for Pep this year...

That's even better than a 4th rounder... It isn't the end of the world if he leaves for "nothing"... Although I agree it will be a bad move overall, as I don't have the faith in Goodson that many here have...

Yea, compensation is better than nothing. But, man to think what the right circumstances added to a desperate team would give us for Dwill...I, personally think it is more than a third.

Out of curiosity how do they determine what the compensatory pick will be?

You are perfectly valid in not having faith in Goodson. Don't get me wrong, I love him, I want him here, but he has his issues... like fumbling. And don't give me he fumbled as much as jstew crap because stewy had twice as many carries.

I just don't see what the harm would have been to trade Dwill, why in god's name would you keep him around, denying even negotiating to even SEE what you could get for him? Just to give him the option to go to another team? We will never know how bad this move really was becasue the FO are too stubborn to even negotiate and see what they could get. Imagine how stupid this would look if it was publicized a team would give us a first or two seconds for him, I have a feeling there would be much more angry fans.

[Darth Urious]

meh... you can't use hindsight in the NFL... If that were the case, think what we could have gotten for D-Mo before his health issues... Think what we could have gotten for Jenks before his injury and he popped off against his teammates... Rae Carruth looked good before he became a murderer... I bet we could have gotten at least a 3rd for him! lol

as far as comp picks go, they use a formula and take into account who you lost and gained through free agency, and the caliber of said players lost and gained... Basically, for stars like Pep and DWill, a 3rd is pretty much a guarantee if the market is truly as high as they say it is for those players once they hit it...

[nosuchthingasapanther]

i've always said that carolina would make an effort to keep williams, but not break a sweat to do it.

what some people don't realize is that other teams aren't going to put forth a big effort to sign him either.

williams has only played 2 full seasons in the nfl...and that's while splitting carries and averaging less than 200 attempts a season.

that is the definition of injury prone.

that is not a player you give a big contract to.

[unicar15]

Wouldn't be surprised if he's a Packer or a Jet

[unicar15]

i've always said that carolina would make an effort to keep williams, but not break a sweat to do it.

what some people don't realize is that other teams aren't going to put forth a big effort to sign him either.

williams has only played 2 full seasons in the nfl...and that's while splitting carries and averaging less than 200 attempts a season.

that is the definition of injury prone.

that is not a player you give a big contract to.

He averaged less than 200 carries because of personnel at the position...not injuries. This is the first year he's had extensive injuries

[JawnyBlaze]

If Johansson dropped out, it'd be a foursome with:

a super hottie ,

a tarsier ,

a sea donkey

and a ginger .

I'd rather Johansson keep the hottness ratio up.

Keeping Dwill is like me having a fivesome with Scarlett Johansson, Brooklyn Decker, Anne Hathaway, Rachael McAdams, and Isla Fisher. Even if Scarlett backs out it's still pretty fuging awesome.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

He averaged less than 200 carries because of personnel at the position...not injuries. This is the first year he's had extensive injuries

in other words he split carries...yet he still has only played 2 full seasons in the past 5.

not good.

[Jangler]

Yea we do. We KNOW he has the option to walk away for nothing. We KNOW other teams will offer him more than JR, and we KNOW we could have traded him for compensation.

That is what we KNOW, the only thing we don't know is what Dwill, personally wants to do.

The FO has shown their side, there is nothing more they can do now to be judged, unless they miraculously resign Dwill. But again, that is up to dwill wanting to be here and has little to do with the FO. The FO has done (or hasn't rather) their part with this situation and I give them an F.

But maybe they (DWill and the FO) have a gentleman's deal. They will let him see what is out there, come back with an offer and match it. He wants to be a Panther, both sides know it. I really believe that once the CBA is resolved...*fingers crossed* DWill will be one of the first resigned.

[JawnyBlaze]

You don't KNOW other teams will offer him more than JR. If you do, then you wouldn't be using your gift for free on a forum, you'd be making money off it.

You also don't KNOW we could have gotten him for better compensation than the comp pick we'd get if we lost him.

I believe he'll resign here, and it wouldn't be "miraculous". It would be yet another piece of proof that Deangelo is one of the few genuinely good guys in sports and not a surprise to many. If he doesn't sign here, then he's doing what's best for him and I'll root for him wherever he goes (unless it's Atlanta, which is one of the least likely destinations anyway).

Yea we do. We KNOW he has the option to walk away for nothing. We KNOW other teams will offer him more than JR, and we KNOW we could have traded him for compensation.

That is what we KNOW, the only thing we don't know is what Dwill, personally wants to do.

The FO has shown their side, there is nothing more they can do now to be judged, unless they miraculously resign Dwill. But again, that is up to dwill wanting to be here and has little to do with the FO. The FO has done (or hasn't rather) their part with this situation and I give them an F.

[Lumps]

You don't KNOW other teams will offer him more than JR. If you do, then you wouldn't be using your gift for free on a forum, you'd be making money off it.

You also don't KNOW we could have gotten him for better compensation than the comp pick we'd get if we lost him.

I believe he'll resign here, and it wouldn't be "miraculous". It would be yet another piece of proof that Deangelo is one of the few genuinely good guys in sports and not a surprise to many. If he doesn't sign here, then he's doing what's best for him and I'll root for him wherever he goes (unless it's Atlanta, which is one of the least likely destinations anyway).

If teams don;t offer him more than that is a negative thing for JR, we have talent at RB and there is no need to overpay him. I would rather have adequate compensation than overpaying him. So I would hope we wouldn't. All I said is we know we had the option/interest to trade him for compensation, not that it would be better. And we do know that, the only reason we don't know what exactly for is the FO stubbornness.

If your a strong believer in Dwill wanting to play here than maybe it isn't so miraculous. I just don't know why JR would offer him as good as deal as other teams when he isn't as big of a need as he would be for other teams. I hope you are right and he is that type of player who would play for less to stay somewhere and hopefully JR offers 'not that much' less.

It's not a big deal we lose him, I would just think any FO that 'never closes a door/opportunity' wouldn't want to find out what they could get for him. I suppose they could have known and it just wasn't publicized and it wasn't as good as a compensatory pick. But if a comp pick is in the trend of being better than the star player no one would ever trade.

[pantherclaw]

It's laughable really. The Panthers are the only team in the league I can think of that lets their best players walk and gets nothing in return. More proof that Hurney is just a numbers guy. This team needs a football guy in the front office.

Name me a team that does different?

He is a free agent. He has played out his contract. He is free to do whatever he wants.

He says he wants to remain a panther. If that's true, then he will sign a new contract with the panthers after the cba is done. If not, he is free to go wherever he wants to. That is the whole point of free agency.

Its sad that there are so many fans that really believe that teams regularly get something from their free agents, other than the normal comp pick. The nfl isn't a madden game. Ya just don't trade away core players before they get to free agency.

[Zod]

They won't win the bidding war for him, nor should they. We have three capable backs without him, much bigger needs elsewhere.

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