D-Will a UFA

[KillerKat]

All I know is that during the first half of the season when dwill was healthy and the o-line was sh**, dwill averaged 4 ypc while stewart averaged around 3. It wasn't until we played weak defenses like seattle, cleveland, atlanta, and arizona that stewart played really well and made his ypc go up.

[bleys]

well then you should do a little more research than pointing out "all you know"..

DWill averaged 3 yards a carry the 1st 2 games.. put up 6 against Cincy and NO, and finished off averaging 3 yards combined again against Chicago and 49ers..

Stew averaged 3 except in 2 games where he had 5 and 8 ATT.. hardly a solid basis to form an opinion..

he put up 3.9 yards against the Steelers..

what does all this say? not jack poo really..... cause my previous post speaks for itself..

[bleys]

The argument would be if the panthers would be fine without D Williams. I believe they would be fine. If they need depth, there's undrafted Rookies right now that they should take a look at and they can sign on the cheap.

Whether you want a tall back

Darren Evans, VT

Or shorter backs

Derrick Locke, KU

Noel Devine, WV

All good backs. There's not need to over spend or get in a bidding war with anyone on a position that is a strength. There's other pressing needs. DT, CB, WR, QB, G. etc.

thanks for bringing this conversation full circle...

[frash.exe]

i think we'd be better off spending the money we would re-sign D-Will with to get a pass rusher or corner, you know, more important positions in the NFL than RB right now

[KillerKat]

well then you should do a little more research than pointing out "all you know"..

DWill averaged 3 yards a carry the 1st 2 games.. put up 6 against Cincy and NO, and finished off averaging 3 yards combined again against Chicago and 49ers..

Stew averaged 3 except in 2 games where he had 5 and 8 ATT.. hardly a solid basis to form an opinion..

he put up 3.9 yards against the Steelers..

what does all this say? not jack poo really..... cause my previous post speaks for itself..

Stew in the first 6 games of the season averaged 3.03 ypc while Dwill averaged 4.15 with defenses against Tampa, New York Giants, New Orleans, and Chicago. Stew's ypc didnt increase until he played those weak defenses I mentioned.

[bleys]

Stew averaged 3.8 on 8 ATT and DWill averaged 4.3 on 12 ATT against Chicago.. what is your point?

you're splitting hairs to try to prove an irrelevant point.. JStew is a beast, what about this post do you not understand?

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3191939&postcount=168

DWill ran 0.8 yards better than Stew against Top 10 defenses with double the attempts..

so if Williams leaves for more money,

[ncmonzta]

i think we'd be better off spending the money we would re-sign D-Will with to get a pass rusher or corner, you know, more important positions in the NFL than RB right now

Those are positions of need but defense wasn't the problem last year. Letting Williams go there's no guarantee we will find someone of equal or better talent. Everyone says RB's are easily replaced, but how come you don't see many rushing for +1000yds and +10tds while splitting carries. In fact there were only 17 in the Nfl to do last season and they were workhorse backs(Arian Foster, Texans (1616 rushing yards), Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (1467), Michael Turner, Falcons (1371), Chris Johnson, Titans (1364), Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (1324), Adrian Peterson, Vikings (1298), Rashard Mendenhall, Steelers (1273), Steven Jackson, Rams (1241), Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (1235), Ray Rice, Ravens (1220), Peyton Hillis, Browns (1177), Darren McFadden, Raiders (1157), Cedric Benson, Bengals (1111), LeSean McCoy, Eagles (1080), Matt Forte, Bears (1069), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Patriots (1008), and LeGarrette Blount, Buccaneers (1007).Losing D-Will is losing production in an already abysmal offense.

[frash.exe]

Those are positions of need but defense wasn't the problem last year. Letting Williams go there's no guarantee we will find someone of equal or better talent. Everyone says RB's are easily replaced, but how come you don't see many rushing for +1000yds and +10tds while splitting carries. In fact there were only 17 in the Nfl to do last season and they were workhorse backs(Arian Foster, Texans (1616 rushing yards), Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (1467), Michael Turner, Falcons (1371), Chris Johnson, Titans (1364), Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (1324), Adrian Peterson, Vikings (1298), Rashard Mendenhall, Steelers (1273), Steven Jackson, Rams (1241), Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (1235), Ray Rice, Ravens (1220), Peyton Hillis, Browns (1177), Darren McFadden, Raiders (1157), Cedric Benson, Bengals (1111), LeSean McCoy, Eagles (1080), Matt Forte, Bears (1069), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Patriots (1008), and LeGarrette Blount, Buccaneers (1007).Losing D-Will is losing production in an already abysmal offense.

we can easily replace Williams' production. He's called Jonathan Stewart, and he's already on our roster, younger, and plays through injury. Not to mention he's produced more than Williams the last two years. Meanwhile on defense we need an upgrade at no.2 corner and we could use another pass rusher, if you don't want to go defense then go WR

[bleys]

let's take a look at 2009...

JStew:

PHI - 9th - 3.2 / 11 ATT

ATL - 10th - 7.2 / 9 ATT

DAL - 4th: -0.3 on 3 ATT

ATL - 10th - 7.5 / 11 ATT

NYJ - 8th - 3.9 / 9 ATT

NE - 13th - 4.1 / 7 ATT

MIN - 2nd - 4.4 / 25 (not injured)

NYG - 14th - 7.4 / 28 ATT (not injured)

AYPG: 4.6

8 ATT per 6 games..

against Top 10 teams: 4.3

DWill:

PHI - 9th - 2.6 / 14 ATT

ATL - 10th - 4.9 / 16 ATT

DAL - 4th: 5.8 / 11 ATT

ATL - 10th - 4.8 / 19 ATT

NYJ - 8th - 2.5 / 16 ATT

NE - 13th - 6.3 / 13 ATT

MIN - 2nd - 2.2 / 6 ATT (injured, still 2.2 on 6 ATTs)

NYG - 14th - injured.. no attempts, obviously...

AYPG: 4.1

against Top 10 teams: 3.8

14 ATT per 6 games...

compare the Attempts..

none of this is to say DWill isn't a top 10 RB in the league.. however, if he makes the choice to leave, there is nothing to say we can't have a great run game..

Those are positions of need but defense wasn't the problem last year. Letting Williams go there's no guarantee we will find someone of equal or better talent. Everyone says RB's are easily replaced, but how come you don't see many rushing for +1000yds and +10tds while splitting carries. In fact there were only 17 in the Nfl to do last season and they were workhorse backs(Arian Foster, Texans (1616 rushing yards), Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (1467), Michael Turner, Falcons (1371), Chris Johnson, Titans (1364), Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (1324), Adrian Peterson, Vikings (1298), Rashard Mendenhall, Steelers (1273), Steven Jackson, Rams (1241), Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (1235), Ray Rice, Ravens (1220), Peyton Hillis, Browns (1177), Darren McFadden, Raiders (1157), Cedric Benson, Bengals (1111), LeSean McCoy, Eagles (1080), Matt Forte, Bears (1069), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Patriots (1008), and LeGarrette Blount, Buccaneers (1007).Losing D-Will is losing production in an already abysmal offense.

are you kidding me? you're trying to compare 1 RB who gets majority of the workload to RB's who are splitting carries..

however, even the top teams, JCharles put up a great year, but Thomas Jones also threw up 800 yards.. a.k.a., damn son, they were killin it.. any other example is nil when talking about team rushing yards.. we ranked 13th in the league in rushing without having 1 guy like Chris Johnson or Arian Foster taking all the rushing attempts.. keep in mind that was 13th in rushing in 2010 with NO QB play and VERY little DWill...

RB is the easier position to replace.. let me lay out my perspective perfectly: if our coaching staff is going to bring success to this franchise, they better damn well be able to generate success at a position like RB through the draft and coaching, or else we are f**ked all across the board. when Goodson started, he carried the ball 59 times for 275 yards, a 4.7-yard average, you better expect us to replace talent or you're someone who doesn't understand this game.. this isn't madden..

if you don't understand that, then you also don't understand how we don't get compensation for Peppers, or if DWill leaves, him as well.. There's a reason why the Pats have an insane amount of draft picks every year... coach up players and replace them.. if the average player is in the league for about 2.5-3 years, you better make the most of it.. simple and plain.

paying 2 RB's 4+ mil a year is a ridiculous concept to grasp considering that means our coaches cannot coach up talent..

[Jangler]

After awhile these threads become...

[bleys]

[ncmonzta]

You can't coach up d-will talent. You keep bringing up stewarts stats, but he's productive because Williams does the dirty work. Stewart doesn't even practice because that foot kills and if you think he can do it all season by himself youre mistaken. Goodson is a 3rd back. If you're tryin to say we can can still be "pretty good" without dwill you're right. What's wrong with paying 8million for a running game putting up 2000 yards? Isn't that less than what Chris Johnson is going to make? It's not madden its what we actually have on the team already. Running backs come a dime a dozen but not dwills. He's staying anyway I don't know why were having this convo my source has already told me this. Oh yea, the whole point of comparing those running backs to will is that they don't split carries 50/50 like we do and d-will and stew can each get close to those numbers. We have something special in the backfield don't think its easily replaced. It's like saying "we don't need Steve smith and Andre Johnson, get rid of Johnson and put Trent guy in his place"

[carpanfan96]

I think Dwill's situation is one where both the Panthers and Dwill want the same thing, Dwill wants to stay and the Panthers want Dwill to stay. I'd look for Dwill to be back at a reasonable price of about 5 year deal worth 25 - 30 million dollars.

[jtm]

People continue to pull out the number of games DWill missed last year to try and argue that Stewart isn't anymore injury prone than DWill. I don't buy it at all. We all know DW could have played last year if there was anything worth playing for.

My whole point is we had one of the worst offenses in NFL history last year. We have an elite running back and a rookie QB. Why on earth would you ever let him go when we have the cap space to resign?