JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith killed it at their combines...

[monstercat]

Well when they had him on the set at NFL Network, he impressed even Mayock. He asked Cam about the so called one read and go thing, and Cam said that he was doing the best he could to move the sticks for his team, and he would have done the same thing whether it was a pro style offense or the wing T. Everyone of them pretty much agreed that the problems he had today were easily fixable, and that the only question was how hard he was willing to work. Mayock even said he could be superman if he worked hard.

BTW, did anybody see how fast Cam's top speed was? They clocked him at over 22mph in about the last 10yds of his 40. Can you imagine trying to tackle a 250lb man coming at you at 22mph? That's freakin scary.

[Mr. Scot]

I believe Mr Scot is saying you are saying the combine means nothing since the great hype didn't. or did, IDK who gives a poo.

Pretty much.

You previously had folks previously talking like the combine was going to be a coronation, and now all of a sudden it doesn't mean anything. Color me amused :lol:

My take on the combine (and the pro days) now is the same that it's always been, that being that workouts are just workouts. They don't show true in-game conditions, and thus game film is much more important.

There is a purpose for workouts, that being to help distinguish between guys that you have rated about the same based on game tape, but any team that rates a guy higher off a workout than they did based on game film is asking for a Mike Mamula.

[rayzor]

Rayzor, who are you lobbying for as the #1 draft pick?

i would be happy with newton, fairley, peterson, or aj green. all of those guys would be a huge improvement over what we have and would be huge helps to us in the long term.

newton is my favorite, but if we pick one of those other guys i would be happy. i do have faith that the panthers will pick the right guy so i'd be cool with whatever although there are possibilities that are supposedly being considered that i don't like right now...any QB who doesn't have the last name newton, i'm not thrilled about going with any DE becasue i think we are fine there and that DT was the problem. i'm not big on dareus mainly because i think fairley would help out more with us using a 3-4 a good bit.

[rayzor]

i agree that the combine doesn't mean a whole lot except in dealing with fringe players. what went on at the combine today didn't effect that opinion at all, even though i don't think newton had all that bad of a day there.

game tape, background investigations, interviews, and the wonderlic are the big ones i look for. private workouts and visits with teams are also a good thing to help decide. coaches get to see more of what they want to look at there.

i think pro days can be good if a player has been struggling on certain things in the past and they want to show off what they have been working on and improved.

[Nytrogen]

Is it bad that the only reason I clicked on this thread is because I read that as 'Jamarcus Russell and Alex Smith killed.'?

[Jangler]

the violent rhetoric really needs to stop.

[Mr. Scot]

Wow!!! This pissing contest is fun and all, but Jebus can't we all just get along??? SMF, it's clear you want us to choose Cam, Mr. Scot, it's clear you are very anti-Cam. Both of you are pretty respectable posters. Both of you have no say in who we actually draft. I have one question for each of you: SMF, if we draft, say, PP or NicFlair, will you still support the player? And Mr. Scot, if we choose Cam #1, would you rally around our new QB?

I'm not anti-Newton so much as I'm anti-any quarterback in his draft, especially at #1. There's no franchise guy in this year's pool (the only one there was stayed in school) and we already have a highly picked "project" QB on roster, plus another who was picked later. It'd be silly to add another project into that mix, especially with the top pick. That pick would be better spent on other needs.

Clausen isn't going anywhere and, whether fans like it or not, he'll be given a shot to show that he can be "the guy". Given that situation, what we need to acquire is a reliable veteran fallback. That way, if Clausen proves he isn't worth it, we have someone to handle the duties this season and we can go looking for the "franchise" guy again next season (when the odds are expected to be better that we can get one).

I've watched the team make picks that I thought were mistakes many times (Clausen being one of them) but still hoped for the best. If they pick Newton, it'll be because they believe he's better than I think he is. And if that happens, then I'll hope they're right.

My preference though: No quarterbacks in any round, especially not at #1.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't care how particular past players did at the combine. Know why?

I've been saying all along that tape means more than workouts. And guess what? So have the Panthers.

Cam Newton may have hurt his draft stock a little, or it may not have mattered. What matters most is the interview process... and that's something we have heard almost nothing about.

Also, I want to know the wonderlic scores.

Worth remembering that Rivera essentially said things like postseason bowl games and workouts don't really help, but they can hurt.

[Mr. Scot]

Anyone who uses the combine solely to suggest not taking someone is lacking intelligence IMO

Taking or not taking, honestly.

The combine and workouts are supposed to supplement what you learn from game tape, not revise it.

As I've said many times, put too much emphasis on non-game related action and you're going to wind up drafting the next Mike Mamula.

[chef17]

Taking or not taking, honestly.

The combine and workouts are supposed to supplement what you learn from game tape, not revise it.

As I've said many times, put too much emphasis on non-game related action and you're going to wind up drafting the next Mike Mamula.

Yeah I meant both. Looking good against air isn't impressive. On the other side, sometimes guys just have bad days. Sure the combine is a good look, but it really doesn't tell how a guy performs under game conditions

[TheRealDeal]

BTW, did anybody see how fast Cam's top speed was? They clocked him at over 22mph in about the last 10yds of his 40. Can you imagine trying to tackle a 250lb man coming at you at 22mph? That's freakin scary.

So you are saying he is a slow starter and takes a while to get going?

I swear I read this somewhere else on this board...

[Snake]

Combine today told us exactly what we needed to know. Can Newton will need some time to be great and that Gabbert is more of a project then cam because he was hiding his poor accuracy and weak arm. Maybe can should not have thrown but at least teams know what there getting.

[rico6]

In Alex Smith's defense. He's constantly getting better and better, and to this day he's looking more and more like a franchise QB.

Jamarcus is the typical "all the talent, but no passion" type of QB/Player you get in every draft.

Combines on one hand can be virtuously meaningless, while on the other hand it could save you.

[monstercat]

JaMarcus Russell showed up 20lbs overweight for the combine. Even Mayock called the comparison of him and Cam ridiculous. He said that they were completely different.