Cam Newton looked “terrible” during his Scouting Combine workout

[MIAbound]

I think Cam will be a very good QB in the NFL. His poise and pocket presence is unreal for a college QB.

[rayzor]

He seems like a good kid and he's very talented... but I'm thinking he just needs too much development to make sense as the # 1 overall pick.

newton's not much more of a project than most players moving from college to the pros, esp. among QBs.

he's got a killer work ethic, he's very coachable, watches a lot of game tape, eager to learn and quite capable of picking things up quickly. he's got a god head for the game and is a student of it. he's got a desire to become the best and is willing to put in the work it takes to make it happen. he'll be fine and he'll progress a lot quicker than people think.

if you're concerned about him taking most of his snaps from the shotgun, brady has been doing it for years, peyton manning took 76% of his last year from the shotgun, and guys like brees, rodgers, big ben, matt ryan, and vick took more than 50% of their snaps from the shotgun. in the superbowl, both big ben and rodgers took just over 60% of their passing snaps from the shotgun, and it wasn't out of desperation either, rodgers had his first three snaps in the game from there.

like it or not, the shotgun is getting used a lot more, which makes sense for a league that is becoming more of a passing league. at the very least he could take snaps from where he would in the pistol and still have the same benefit to the RBs as they would if the QB was taking snaps under center and the same benefit in the passing game from being in the shotgun.

if you're concerned about him playing in a spread offense, teams are also starting to use the spread more and it is being seen as more of a viable offense to use in the pro game. the pats used it in '07 where they scored the most points in the history of the NFL. the packers used it to beat the steelers in the superbowl. the eagles switched from the WCO to the spread to better suit vick's strengths as well as bring more flexibility to the offense, esp. when compared to the heavily scripted and complicated WCO, and ended up having the second highest scoring season in their past 25 years. the colts and the saints essentially have a spread offense. cardinals used it 85% of the time the year they went to the superbowl.

most teams already run a form of the spread in one way or another, esp when you see 4 or 5 WR sets and an empty backfield or a one back formation. it could be argued that the coryell has a lot of similarities to the spread. both use 4-5 WR sets that spread the spreads the defense and makes running lanes wider. both allow for a lot of freedom and fexibility for the WRs. QB has to have a big arm. made for high scoring games.

in the very near future a QB ccoming from the spread or who has only taken snaps from the shotgun won't be all that big of a deal. learning how to take snaps from under center shouldn't take all that long to learn anyway. one offseasonshould be enough to learn most of it and the first year with it should be enough to get used to ie, esp. if your coaches are worth a crap. learning how to do more than one reads...that can be learned as well if the QB has a good work ethic and is coachable and, again, if the coaching staff is worth a crap.

[rayzor]

Cam Newton has not seemed humble at all recently. That isn't to say he won't get along with JR but lately it has not been very humble

so what has he done lately? answered a question about his endorsement deal and why he would be successful with that and answering that in addition to a football player he will be an icon and an entertainer. even with that, he realized he could have and should have chosen better words for it and puclically apoogized on national TV for his choice of words. yeah, admitting a mistake like that is really not a show of humility. oh...and how many people are chastizing peter king for not posting the question and just giving the answer. you don't think he had some kind of agenda? he set the kid up for criticism.

oh...you might be refering to how he said he achieved things in one year with auburn that most never get to see. so was he wrong in that? or are players who come in for a season and do well enough to help their team go undefeated a dime a dozen? how is it a bad thing to feel good about your successes and be willing to share it with others? are you supposed to only talk about your failures but shut your mouth about any successes you have or things that you have done that you feel good about? sorry, that falls right into the whole petty thing.

[TheRealDeal]

newton's not much more of a project than most players moving from college to the pros, esp. among QBs.

Translation:

I'm a Cam Fanboy and the rest of this post will be nothing but dribble and nonsense trying to convince you that Cam isn't as bad as we all know he is.

[monstercat]

I don't attack credibility because it's a dumb argument that people on here use to often. Everyone has an opinion but some arguments are dumber than others, like using the Heisman argument.

I don't know why the second part is news. If the Panthers thought that Newton or Gabbert could be "franchise" QBs and they said they weren't going to take them, that would be newsworthy. Plenty of people who have been labled "Cam Haters" have said the exact same thing but you guys don't want to comprehend that part.

Translation:

I'm a Cam Fanboy and the rest of this post will be nothing but dribble and nonsense trying to convince you that Cam isn't as bad as we all know he is.

There you go again...attacking someone's credibility...liar.

[Udogg]

There you go again...attacking someone's credibility...liar.

LOL..got em.

[TheRealDeal]

There you go again...attacking someone's credibility...liar.

I guess if that's what you call that. My take on it was when people attack other people's background like "you aren't an NFL scout" or "you don't get paid by NFL teams" to discredit someone's argument.

I label the poo outta people if that's what you mean.

[teeray]

poo

Edited for accuracy :D:D

[monstercat]

I guess if that's what you call that. My take on it was when people attack other people's background like "you aren't an NFL scout" or "you don't get paid by NFL teams" to discredit someone's argument.

I label the sh*t outta people if that's what you mean.

What I mean is that you are a liar. You act as if your word is the gospel and anybody who disagrees with you is an idiot. It's really that simple.

[TheRealDeal]

What I mean is that you are a liar. You act as if your word is the gospel and anybody who disagrees with you is an idiot. It's really that simple.

No I disagree with plenty of people that I don't think are idiots. When you say dumb stuff, I'm going to respond to it. It's clear there is one reason you post here and it's annoying as fug that you and your little boy band group of partners do the same poo every fuging day.

You never bring anything new to any discussion and try and convince everyone that Cam is going to be the pick when he's not. No matter how much you talk about him, what he does in real life proves that he is not worth the #1 pick and will not be with this team. If he manages to get better, possibly but I doubt it between now and draft time.

The fact that you disagree with me AND you are an idiot has no correlation, you'd still be the latter even if you agreed with me.

[mav1234]

so what has he done lately? answered a question about his endorsement deal and why he would be successful with that and answering that in addition to a football player he will be an icon and an entertainer. even with that, he realized he could have and should have chosen better words for it and puclically apoogized on national TV for his choice of words. yeah, admitting a mistake like that is really not a show of humility. oh...and how many people are chastizing peter king for not posting the question and just giving the answer. you don't think he had some kind of agenda? he set the kid up for criticism.

oh...you might be refering to how he said he achieved things in one year with auburn that most never get to see. so was he wrong in that? or are players who come in for a season and do well enough to help their team go undefeated a dime a dozen? how is it a bad thing to feel good about your successes and be willing to share it with others? are you supposed to only talk about your failures but shut your mouth about any successes you have or things that you have done that you feel good about? sorry, that falls right into the whole petty thing.

angry much? Didn't say he's a bad person or uninterested in football, I said he hasn't looked humble lately. It's perfectly fine to be open about your successes in the way he has been, just don't expect people to think you're humble if you do. It's fine that he isn't. In fact, initially he DID seem humble, because he was focusing on his team etc... but once the season ended, he's turned more towards his own accomplishments, which is fine... but isn't really humble. Here's some recent things:

1) Said he's an icon and an entertainer. While perhaps true, isn't all that humble.

2) Refers to himself in the third person. Uhm, okay.

3) Said he'd done things in one some never do in four. While true, again, not particularly humble.

Confidence is fine and all. Just saying, he doesn't sound humble.

[monstercat]

No I disagree with plenty of people that I don't think are idiots. When you say dumb stuff, I'm going to respond to it. It's clear there is one reason you post here and it's annoying as f*ck that you and your little boy band group of partners do the same sh*t every f*cking day.

You never bring anything new to any discussion and try and convince everyone that Cam is going to be the pick when he's not. No matter how much you talk about him, what he does in real life proves that he is not worth the #1 pick and will not be with this team. If he manages to get better, possibly but I doubt it between now and draft time.

The fact that you disagree with me AND you are an idiot has no correlation, you'd still be the latter even if you agreed with me.

And you keep bashing Cam for the same things every day. You're not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well. And you're not very bright either, if you think a QB can't improve between college and the NFL. They will all improve if they work at it.My God, if T.J Yates can learn proper footwork with his lead feet, then it will be pretty easy for an elite athlete like Cam.

And BTW, I have never said that Cam definitely will be the pick, or that I won't be happy with Gabbert or Dareus if one of them is the pick. I'm saying that we need a QB, and if they think Gabbert or Cam is worth a top ten pick, then we have to pick one of them at #1 or we won't get a QB at all. It's not complicated.

[blackcatgrowl]

angry much? Didn't say he's a bad person or uninterested in football, I said he hasn't looked humble lately. It's perfectly fine to be open about your successes in the way he has been, just don't expect people to think you're humble if you do. It's fine that he isn't. In fact, initially he DID seem humble, because he was focusing on his team etc... but once the season ended, he's turned more towards his own accomplishments, which is fine... but isn't really humble. Here's some recent things:

1) Said he's an icon and an entertainer. While perhaps true, isn't all that humble.

2) Refers to himself in the third person. Uhm, okay.

3) Said he'd done things in one some never do in four. While true, again, not particularly humble.

Confidence is fine and all. Just saying, he doesn't sound humble.

Seriously? You're still going to take a comment out of context and tear the guy down saying he hasn't looked humble?

I'd say he was incredible humble in his post-combine interview with Marshall Faulk, even to the extent of apologizing for offending anyone with his "entertainer and icon" statement (which Faulk put in the correct context BEFORE he apologized).

Here's the video:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e84228/Newton-discusses-his-combine

Yeah, that's not humble...

I've started a new thread on this, because this part of his character assassination is not legit.

[mav1234]

So maybe I'm dense but the context that has been presented (aka being asked about what the underarmor sponsorship means) has not changed anything to me in regards to the comment.

Back to his response, it's fine that he gave apologetic interviews afterwards. I'm glad he's realized it was a mistake to come off as he did and I hope that changes. I'm fine that he is confident and I respect he has a reason to be sure of himself and his abilities, but that doesn't mean he's humble.

So sure, maybe a day after I originally said he hasn't looked humble recently he went on to NFL network and apologized to people offended by it. That's fine, and like I said, I never saw him as a bad person. Perhaps the experience was humbling. But earlier the same day he was referring to himself in the third person so I don't know.

You don't NEED a humble quarterback. So I don't see the big deal. Just sayin', he doesn't strike me as humble.