Gabbert is the top rated QB

[teeray]

You showed nothing we didnt already know. We don't look to you for practical football knowledge. Half of the first rounders bust. Top reasons? Football IQ and character concerns (work ethic, leadership skills, integrity, etc). NFL players will not respect a theif and a cheat. If you want us to listen to you, get some integrity and ethics and stand up for them.

Just because you draft a kid in the first doesn't make him a first round talent.

Second round fail rate... 90%. There is a reason why franchise QBs are picked in the first round.

[MHS831]

Not taking Cam won't set us back at all.

Taking him sets us back at least 2-3 years. But since he may not get in a camp to work on his mechanics CBA), it could be 3 or 4 years before we get results or know enough to cut him.

[Jackofalltrades]

If Rivera is as good as I think he is we will be in the teens with our pick. Luck and Barkley won't be there. Who is your third or 4th QB in next years draft?? That is our franchise guy.

Which is precisely why you get a vet to hold you over until the right guy comes along.

[teeray]

Which is precisely why you get a vet to hold you over until the right guy comes along.

That rarely works. There were only two free agent QB's on the 14 teams with a winning record last season. They were both pro bowlers before they were free agents.

That stalls our progress as a team. That is status quo. That won't cut it in the NFC South. That is what bad teams do. That is the Redskins methodology. It is a absolute lock to fail a franchise. More than a #1 pick bust.

[MHS831]

Second round fail rate... 90%. There is a reason why franchise QBs are picked in the first round.

Agree. SO this means we have to take one of these QBs? Many experts think 3 will go in the first round, but none have a first round grade.

Even so, Cam Newton is a project. He has more character concerns than Hitler at a Bar Mitzvah. He is not a smart man. He is a big, fast, strong man. NOT WORTH THE RISK.

If we picked 20th and he was there, pull the trigger. The first overall pick is worth three times what the 16th pick is worth. You don't blow it.

[Jackofalltrades]

That rarely works. There were only two free agent QB's on the 14 teams with a winning record last season. They were both pro bowlers before they were free agents.

That stalls our progress as a team. That is status quo. That won't cut it in the NFC South. That is what bad teams do. That is the Redskins methodology. It is a absolute lock to fail a franchise. More than a #1 pick bust.

No chance, #1 pick bust murders a salary cap with 40-50 mil gauranteed and a weak back up.

There was this guy named Delhomme who we did pretty well with too. Brett Favre was traded to the Packers, Brees was a FA signing, Kerry Collins of all people had good years in NY and TN.

FA's are significantly cheaper and have already shown they can play at this level. Ideal route? Of course not, but there's no QB in this class worth the top pick. Improve an already stout D and take pressure off the O.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[teeray]

Agree. SO this means we have to take one of these QBs? Many experts think 3 will go in the first round, but none have a first round grade.

Even so, Cam Newton is a project. He has more character concerns than Hitler at a Bar Mitzvah. He is not a smart man. He is a big, fast, strong man. NOT WORTH THE RISK.

If we picked 20th and he was there, pull the trigger. The first overall pick is worth three times what the 16th pick is worth. You don't blow it.

Both Cam and Gabbert would have a first round grade no matter what draft they came out in. These two guys are both legit first round talents and worthy of the number 1 pick.

6 teams have Cam #1 overall.

You want to know the real reason his stock has risen so fast in the media. They started talking to NFL executives. It wasn't the media day. It was the feedback from NFL GM's and scouts.

So they disagree with you.

[Jackofalltrades]

Both Cam and Gabbert would have a first round grade no matter what draft they came out in. These two guys are both legit first round talents and worthy of the number 1 pick.

6 teams have Cam #1 overall.

You want to know the real reason his stock has risen so fast in the media. They started talking to NFL executives. It wasn't the media day. It was the feedback from NFL GM's and scouts.

So they disagree with you.

Objection, speculative!

[teeray]

No chance, #1 pick bust murders a salary cap with 40-50 mil gauranteed and a weak back up.

There was this guy named Delhomme who we did pretty well with too. Brett Favre was traded to the Packers, Brees was a FA signing, Kerry Collins of all people had good years in NY and TN.

FA's are significantly cheaper and have already shown they can play at this level. Ideal route? Of course not, but there's no QB in this class worth the top pick. Improve an already stout D and take pressure off the O.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

It doesn't work. Remember Jeff Lewis? Like anything you can hit lightning in a bottle. But that is what the Redskins have been doing for ten years now. It is a higher probability to fail than drafting a QB.

One more little tid bit. There has been only one QB in the last ten years taken in the first round after the 20th pick that has become a franchise guy. Rodgers. You can't even get a franchise QB after the first 20 picks. that is the flip side to the busts.

We run a real risk of being just good enough to never be good bc our QB position is defunct. if you wait until you are good enough to be picking 13-20 you will have much harder QB evaluations in those drafts than taking Cam Newton this year.

If we are bad enough to be drafting in the top 10 the next two years Rivera knows he won't be here long enough to wait on that guy and enjoy the fruits of that guy. That is why he addressed the position in his interview.

You may not like it but this is the year it needs to get fixed.

[cdandi1]

So one youtube edited video of gabbert is enough to judge him on. Jeez, i wish everything could be determined by one 12 min vid.

[teeray]

Objection, speculative!

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Overruled!! :)

[Jackofalltrades]

Won't be fixed this year- improved some yes, but not fixed.

Remember this, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

[rodeo]

So one youtube edited video of gabbert is enough to judge him on. Jeez, i wish everything could be determined by one 12 min vid.

it's a video of every play he made in that game. there is lots and lots of game tape on him. most of them look like that video.

[teeray]

and enjoy the fruits of that guy..

Is there a homoerotic innuendo in there?? :eek6::eek6: