I still want to trade down.

[Highlandfire]

Yeah I know but this TEAM isn't ready for a rookie QB to come in here and try to win. This isn't Pittsburgh. I know about Cam's talent but bottom line you must be able to take 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center in this league that will never change. Reading defenses will never change.

You can take a kid and develop him IF you have a decent starter to begin with, and we don't right now unless our new OC thinks Moore can become something. Newton's best shot at succeeding is going to a team that has a vet in place and is a year or so from making a run. That Pittsburgh team Big Ben won as a rookie on could have made the AFC Championship game with a trained monkey throwing poo. There hasn't been a more perfect situation for a QB to walk into.

Trading down is the best scenario for this team. I think Jerruh Jones is full of poo but hey if he wants to move up to #1, lets reverse that hershel walker trade on his ass and build a superbowl winner here.

[Jackofalltrades]

Agree, I'd like to move to 3, I know Gailey wants Cam. At three I feel a lot better about our options and we get more picks...at some point.

[grateflday]

Yeah I know but this TEAM isn't ready for a rookie QB to come in here and try to win. This isn't Pittsburgh. I know about Cam's talent but bottom line you must be able to take 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center in this league that will never change. Reading defenses will never change.

You can take a kid and develop him IF you have a decent starter to begin with, and we don't right now unless our new OC thinks Moore can become something. Newton's best shot at succeeding is going to a team that has a vet in place and is a year or so from making a run. That Pittsburgh team Big Ben won as a rookie on could have made the AFC Championship game with a trained monkey throwing poo. There hasn't been a more perfect situation for a QB to walk into.

Trading down is the best scenario for this team. I think Jerruh Jones is full of poo but hey if he wants to move up to #1, lets reverse that hershel walker trade on his ass and build a superbowl winner here.

Not drafting Newton because we dont have a veteran starter here does not make any sense. What is going to happen if the Panthers dont draft him?? a veteran starter is going to automatically appear on the roster?

The Panthers have to and are most likely going to bring in a Veteran no matter what anyway. So they can either do that and have Cam on the roster, or dont draft him and put all their eggs in Clausen developing.

[Jackofalltrades]

The Panthers have to and are most likely going to bring in a Veteran no matter what anyway. So they can either do that and have Cam on the roster, or dont draft him and put all their eggs in Clausen developing.

Not necessarily, Clausen doesn't have to be the future to no draft QB this year. There's a draft next year, Vet could be the guy for a while. There are more than just two options here. (draft QB and Clausen)

It's not as if QB's will cease to exist or suddenly decline after this offseason.

[Lumps]

Does anyone really think Newton is better than trading down? Thats idiotic, I gathered that the people supporting him was only if we use the pick and can't trade.

[grateflday]

Not necessarily, Clausen doesn't have to be the future to no draft QB this year. There's a draft next year, Vet could be the guy for a while. There are more than just two options here. (draft QB and Clausen)

It's not as if QB's will cease to exist or suddenly decline after this offseason.

That is fine if you or one doesnt think Cam can be a franchise QB; but unless I misread your orginal post- you said they shouldnt draft him cause there isnt a Veteran to play behind.

[Delhommey]

I've come to a decision. I'd rather sleep with a young Sophia Loren.

MAKE IT HAPPEN HURNEY!

[R0CKnR0LLA]

You need a partner, just saying trade down is really incomplete. It all depends on what type of deal you can get. Sure if you can get a high 1st, 2nd and a 1st next year then that's obviously better than any specific player you could get at #1 overall. But if that's such an obvious win for us then look at it from the other teams perspective, why would they then trade up?

"Trading down is the best scenario for this team." OK, your best offer is a 2nd rounder and a 2012 4th rounder, still the best scenario to trade down?

[MHS831]

They will bring in a veteran. With the CBA issues possibly preventing a rookie QB from getting coached up in the offseason, add a year to Newton's development. It could very possibly be 2013 before he could get on the field. And 2 years later, after paying up to $50 million for Cam ($25 million per season is the return), you get to negotiate a second contract with an icon. I see his lust for attention turning that into major drama. I see Cam as the TO of quarterbacks.

I still think we could re-sign Moore on the cheap. Clausen will be better. We will bring in a veteran. I know this isn't what some want to hear, but I see Cam and Gabbert in the top 5 as "draft inflation."

If we are rebuilding, then build everything else around the QB spot this year. Maybe Moore comes back and responds to the system. Let the veteran hold us up for a year or two. Maybe Clausen has an Elway-like turnaround. I just don't see drafting a QB with so many red flags as the answer. It is like going all in with two pair.

[Lumps]

"Trading down is the best scenario for this team." OK, your best offer is a 2nd rounder and a 2012 4th rounder, still the best scenario to trade down?

Pretty damn close. Make that 4th a 3rd and you got it.

[MHS831]

Have we ever seen Cam lead a losing team? Will he sour? Is he a classic front runner? We do not know.

Cam lovers will say, "That is because he is a winner." One season. That is all we have. One year of D-I college football in a simple system. Was he good or did he just have a hot streak when it mattered most? Are we going to make him the top pick in the draft based on 10 or 11 good games, 275 passes, and a media workout?

What has come hard for him? What has he had to work for and what is simply God-given ability? Have the people around him distorted his reality? Does he feel he deserves to be paid based on what he has accomplished or does he realize his salary is based on the work he will have to put in?

Icon? Not close. BMOC maybe. In the NFL--PEON. If he doesn't start there, he will bust.

[JungleCat]

I hope we trade down too but I'll support whatever direction the team takes.

[MHS831]

Teams (other than Carolina) in the top 10 who need QBs:

Buffalo

Arizona

San Francisco

Tennessee

Dallas (?)

Washington

If any team falls in love with Newton or Gabbert and decide he is their guy, they may make us an offer. They all know Buffalo wants a QB, so Denver will get a lot of offers. However, they know we are needing a QB, so to assure we don't draft their guy, they will have to talk to us.

I think we are going to look hard at the QBs, but we are looking to trade down. That is why Rivera was talking up Newton. If we trade with Buffalo and Denver stays with their pick, we could easily get a second rounder and land our guy, Blaine Gabbert (possibly).

If not, we get Dareus or Bowers + an early second rounder.

If Buffalo sits tight, they could miss out. We could take a QB at #1, which would cause some offers to go to Denver who will be looking to move out of the pick because they have many needs (3-4 to 4-3).

Buffalo is the key because they will probably want a charismatic QB, the first since Kelly. They have other issues, like selling tickets in a depressed economy to keep the franchise in upstate NY and not LA or Canada.

SF is the darkhorse. I see Harbaugh HAVING to have a QB. Gabbert might catch his attention. They have a good team intact; hey just underperformed. Ideally, I would love to swap with SF because we would get more for the trade and one of our need area players would drop to us (assuming 2 qbs go in the top 7).

1. Gabbert

2. Newton

3. Peterson

4. Dareus

5. Bowers

6. Fairley

7. Quinn

8. Green

I think we would be happy with any player on this list at #7

[monstercat]

Have we ever seen Cam lead a losing team? Will he sour? Is he a classic front runner? We do not know.

Cam lovers will say, "That is because he is a winner." One season. That is all we have. One year of D-I college football in a simple system. Was he good or did he just have a hot streak when it mattered most? Are we going to make him the top pick in the draft based on 10 or 11 good games, 275 passes, and a media workout?

What has come hard for him? What has he had to work for and what is simply God-given ability? Have the people around him distorted his reality? Does he feel he deserves to be paid based on what he has accomplished or does he realize his salary is based on the work he will have to put in?

Icon? Not close. BMOC maybe. In the NFL--PEON. If he doesn't start there, he will bust.

Since when is being a winner a bad thing? Clausen didn't win in college and that's working out swell.

This is the worst reason I have seen yet, not to take a QB.