Does Rivera know Clausen exists?

[CRA]

I am reserving judgement--you all are making one. That is the difference. SO don't come at me like I am saying Clausen is the next Elway.

Show me a QB who was drafted early and started as a rookie and was cut the next year? Basically, everyone here is CUTTING JC right now. Watch some clips of Elway's rookie season. Clausen was better.

Now, if you have only 1 example of a player drafted first overall who played worse as a rookie than JC and ended up in the Hall of Fame, why is it too difficult to imagine JC on the team next year? Why has everyone quit on him when I hear everyone saying we should take Cam and he will need a year or two to develop?

That is HYPOCRISY. THe first overall pick, like Elway and Newton ( if some have their way) should get more time to develop that you have given Clausen when they are given better conditions to succeed? Really?

Am I missing something? Did you want to cut Charles Johnson after his rookie year? Steve Smith? James Anderson? Well, their positions require less time to transition traditionally, than QB.

If we draft Newton and he starts, you will be on here in a year talking about Andrew Luck.

Clausen was not better than Elway as a rookie.

You don't cut Steve Smith or a Johnson b/c they showed real talent that could grow after their rookie years. Clausen didn't show that....Clausen was a guy with a very average skill set and questionable intangibles who did nothing but make everyone around him look horrible b/c of his style of play.

[Catalyst]

Eh, that's probably a little harsh. He did come into a bad situation with the OL injuries and probably wasn't prepared to play yet. I do think he'll improve, I just don't think we're in a position to pass over Newton because of a "maybe."

Best case scenario for us is to take Cam, sit him for a couple years, Clausen to play well, and we end up with a Brees/Rivers type situation. That said, it's probably a pipe dream.

[Happy Panther]

lol comparing Clausen to hof QBs

[Happy Panther]

I do think there's a good chance Clausen goes into the season as the starter. My favorite scenario would be to draft Newton, sign Volek (or another vet) and sit Newton for a year. Go into the season with Clausen as the starter, but keep Volek/vet ready to go if he struggles.

If all those guys can't beat out Clausen in camp and preseason, next year is going to suck really bad.

[MHS831]

Clausen didn't fit what Fox does. Which was fine since Fox was out the door. He doesn't fit what Chud claims to be about or PROVED to be about in Cleveland.

Fox had a choice. Fox inserted him in week 2 and that was retarded....the reasoning behind it can be debated in a different thread.

Clausen is not a QB to sit in a pocket and attack downfield in a vertical passing attack. No matter how much you want him to be he isn't that. He doesn't fit that. He wasn't in college. Won't be in the pros. He doesn't have the tools or mindset to do it. Again, it is like asking Mike Goodson to run like Jerome Bettis.....no matter how much talent Goodson has it ain't gonna show.

Are you for drafting Cam Newton? If so, explain how he fits. To sit back in the pocket, you probably should have experiences reading coverages and going through progressions. JC needs more experience and coaching, but he can stay in the pocket and was successful throwing downfield when he had time. Please don't tell me that Cam can learn and change and Clausen cannot.

[TheRealDeal]

Just make sure to make references to a salty terrorist when you make it big and are on national TV so you get the entire site swept up in national security probes.

LOL I don't hate Zod just Salty

[Actionman0z]

If he is not you better trade him for a 5th or 6th rounder this year.

[mav1234]

Not sure about the premise here. In like every interview Rivera gives he leaves the door open that the franchise guy may be on the roster. He certainly knows Clausen exists, he just isn't hitching his wagon to him yet... or anyone else.

[TheRealDeal]

Are you for drafting Cam Newton? If so, explain how he fits. To sit back in the pocket, you probably should have experiences reading coverages and going through progressions. JC needs more experience and coaching, but he can stay in the pocket and was successful throwing downfield when he had time. Please don't tell me that Cam can learn and change and Clausen cannot.

Really?

[Catalyst]

If all those guys can't beat out Clausen in camp and preseason, next year is going to suck really bad.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. Yes, if Newton looks ready by all means, start him. I don't expect he will, though, and starting him before he is could hurt his development in the long-term.

We still have an investment in Clausen and he should be given at least a shot at being the starter while Cam is groomed - assuming we do draft him - if for no other reason than that it could net us a draft pick or two in the future.

[CRA]

Are you for drafting Cam Newton? If so, explain how he fits. To sit back in the pocket, you probably should have experiences reading coverages and going through progressions. JC needs more experience and coaching, but he can stay in the pocket and was successful throwing downfield when he had time. Please don't tell me that Cam can learn and change and Clausen cannot.

Clausen didn't stay in the pocket and make plays when protection was there. He scrambled, he had balls batted down, and opted to just throw checkdowns or first read throws to the sidelines.

Clausen is a WCO QB. It is that simple. That is what the pro Clausen guys fail to realize. Clausen sucks b/c he doesn't fit the scheme.

That is why at Notre Dame Weiss said it doesn't matter you are small w/ a crappy delivery.......we will just focus on your getting the ball out quick so it doesn't become an issue.

Cam has a physical skill set Clausen doesn't. Mother nature made it so Newton could be better at this level w/ the mental stuff being equal. Clausen has limitations Cam doesn't.....many.

I want Rivera to find his QB. That is all. I don't care how he does it. Pike and Clausen don't fit what Chud and Rivera talk about.

[Happy Panther]

I don't think you get what I'm saying. Yes, if Newton looks ready by all means, start him. I don't expect he will, though, and starting him before he is could hurt his development in the long-term.

We still have an investment in Clausen and he should be given at least a shot at being the starter while Cam is groomed - assuming we do draft him - if for no other reason than that it could net us a draft pick or two in the future.

Clausen needs to sit. We saw that he was not NFL ready week 17 of last year. he isn't going to be ready week 1 of next year. There are so many FAs and available QBs that could start over him that I would be amazed if he is the starting QB.

Maybe if our QB rotation looks like

Clausen

Moore

Ryan Mallett

he would start but that would suck

[TheRealDeal]

Maybe if our QB rotation looks like

Clausen

Moore

Ryan Mallett

Even then he'd be 2nd string at best

[MHS831]

Really?

Yes. Really.

Here is how: Take Williams off the field, insert Otah. Take Bernadeau out of LG, insert Wharton. Give Schwartz an offseason and camp at RG, or bring in a good RG. Teach Goodson how to pick up a blitz. Don't pair rookie WRs with a rookie QB, have your #1 WR get open.

And I won't even get into the coaching problems.

Yes. Really.