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If Bryce doesn’t produce, we moving on?

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The front office has fixed the offense for Bryce.  We have ZERO holes.  A bit inexperience at TE and WR (to a lesser extent) but the excuses for Bryce not to live up to his draft hype are officially over.  This draft should have been more front end heavy and more draft capital spent overall to fix our awful defense.  The fact that we had to trade up some to chase picks on defense because we took another weapon for Bryce in round1 says everything. 

 

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Yes.  He either improves or he goes.  I'm still not sold on the guy.  He looked better end of the year, yes.  But a great deal of that was simply that he had looked so bad before it would have been difficult to not look better.

BY9 was still one of the worst QB's in the league when it comes completion percentage, air yards per attempt, yards, yards per attempt . . . the list goes on.  Again, I agree that he looked better toward the end of the year, but he has a lot more ground to make up before he will be looked at as a guy who can go out and win games for us.

He seems like a great guy, and maybe we keep him as a backup, but if he doesn't get it done this year the Panthers need actively seek the answer.

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On 4/27/2025 at 1:04 PM, TheBigKat said:

He’s going into this season with no true competition for the #1

 

we have invested a fortune in a competent O-line

bonafide #1 RB

solid TE

Arguable top 10 slot WR in Theilen

back to back 1st round picks in WR

a OC minded HC

 

this IS his make it or break it year

I think is overstating things on our O that should be said if we are going to position the convo as a make it or break it thing for Bryce.  I consider this year 2 for him and you often see regression year 2. 

AT is not in reality a top 10 slot WR.   We force feed a vet WR in the slot that can catch.  Which generates statistics for AT.  He is more savvy rec TE at this stage than anything. 

We just drafted TMac.  You can't really count him as anything except for a promising young WR that is about to have a rookie season.  XL is on the development train. 2 promising young WRs that both are going to have to grow into legit NFL WRs. 

TEs are presently a below average group. 

RBs are in reality are probably a pretty average group in reality. 

Where we currently stand out IMO is our OL talent.  

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I think is overstating things on our O that should be said if we are going to position the convo as a make it or break it thing for Bryce.  I consider this year 2 for him and you often see regression year 2. 

AT is not in reality a top 10 slot WR.   We force feed a vet WR in the slot that can catch.  Which generates statistics for AT.  He is more savvy rec TE at this stage than anything. 

We just drafted TMac.  You can't really count him as anything except for a promising young WR that is about to have a rookie season.  XL is on the development train. 2 promising young WRs that both are going to have to grow into legit NFL WRs. 

TEs are presently a below average group. 

RBs are in reality are probably a pretty average group in reality. 

Where we currently stand out IMO is our OL talent.  

Not that I think you said anything wrong here, but also look at it this way.

Outside of QB, I think there is a genuine argument to be made that we have a better offensive starting lineup than even teams like the Chiefs or Bills right now.

No, Bryce isn't Mahomes or Allen, but those guys would have MVP caliber seasons with our OL and offensive weapons at their disposal.  If Bryce can't have a successful 3rd season with that grouping, then it's not a good sign for his long term outlook, even if yes, some of those weapons are on the younger side and need to gain experience.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Not that I think you said anything wrong here, but also look at it this way.

Outside of QB, I think there is a genuine argument to be made that we have a better offensive starting lineup than even teams like the Chiefs or Bills right now.

No, Bryce isn't Mahomes or Allen, but those guys would have MVP caliber seasons with our OL and offensive weapons at their disposal.  If Bryce can't have a successful 3rd season with that grouping, then it's not a good sign for his long term outlook.

well, you got two present day GOATs at QB there....so they can make stuff happen like a 2015 Cam Newton did.  Yeah, they would all have success here.  Not sure that is the fairest point. 

I mean, skill talent, Mahomes and Allen probably got the slight edge today. Maybe not tomorrow.  So it's still back to our OL being the defining different in Carolina. 

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11 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, you got two present day GOATs at QB there....so they can make stuff happen like a 2015 Cam Newton did.  Yeah, they would all have success here.  Not sure that is the fairest point. 

I mean, skill talent, Mahomes and Allen probably got the slight edge today. Maybe not tomorrow.  So it's still back to our OL being the defining different in Carolina. 

I don't see any way the Chiefs or Bills have more skill position talent than we do right now.

T-Mac and Thielen are both better than any WR on either of those teams right now and yea, Cook is the best RB of the 3 teams, but I'm taking Chuba over Pacheco, and our OL might be the best of the 3 teams too.  Sure KC has Kelce and the Bills have their two TEs, but I still just think we're better suited at the skill positions right now and in the near future.

And yes, I realize they're GOAT type talents, but the point is if they'd put up MVP type seasons with our offensive players, then if Bryce is a franchise QB, he should be putting up a pretty good season with them this year, if he can't, it's a bad sign, not that he needs to also have an MVP type of season, that would be beyond the wildest expectations for even the biggest Bryce truthers.

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I was checking the odds for the Panthers, and they're listed at 100 to 1, which translates to a 1.1 decimal chance of winning the Super Bowl. If I were to place a $100 bet, I could potentially win $10,000. Although I don't gamble, that's what I found out through Google. Unfortunately, I can't gamble in South Carolina. I've heard that we might get an Indian casino, but I’m not sure if they offer bets like that.

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3 minutes ago, jasonluckydog said:

I was checking the odds for the Panthers, and they're listed at 100 to 1, which translates to a 1.1 decimal chance of winning the Super Bowl. If I were to place a $100 bet, I could potentially win $10,000. Although I don't gamble, that's what I found out through Google. Unfortunately, I can't gamble in South Carolina. I've heard that we might get an Indian casino, but I’m not sure if they offer bets like that.

I think you just have to be in NC to legally gamble, not be a resident

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17 hours ago, CRA said:

I think is overstating things on our O that should be said if we are going to position the convo as a make it or break it thing for Bryce.  I consider this year 2 for him and you often see regression year 2. 

AT is not in reality a top 10 slot WR.   We force feed a vet WR in the slot that can catch.  Which generates statistics for AT.  He is more savvy rec TE at this stage than anything. 

We just drafted TMac.  You can't really count him as anything except for a promising young WR that is about to have a rookie season.  XL is on the development train. 2 promising young WRs that both are going to have to grow into legit NFL WRs. 

TEs are presently a below average group. 

RBs are in reality are probably a pretty average group in reality. 

Where we currently stand out IMO is our OL talent.  

I disagree on the at.  Everyone always talking down but can you list 9 slot wrs that had better production with a qb that was abysmal until recently ?  I agree with the rest but a number 1 pic qb in his 3rd year this team is plenty stacked to have a good year.  If by reverts back to abysmal by then not sure there is much hope for him.  As always nfl teams will be reviewing his film so sure it will be harder for him this year also but hopefully he put in some offseason work.  

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