The Brcye Trade is Finally Complete. Who Won the Trade? Panthers vs Bears

[MHS831]

If Bryce becomes a better QB than Williams, the Panthers won.  If they both play well or Bryce plays worse, the Bears won it.  On paper, we lost the trade, obviously.

[Manna]

I’d say we won because we finally have a media darling at the QB position. It’s nice to be on the other side of things. 
but really, I don’t care what the bears do. We just need to win. 

[LinvilleGorge]

It may take a decade to figure out. Early on it sure looked like the Chargers won that Eli trade. Rivers looked at least as good as Eli and they got numerous other high quality pieces. But when it was all done, 2 rings to none says the Giants clearly won.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It may take a decade to figure out. Early on it sure looked like the Chargers won that Eli trade. Rivers looked at least as good as Eli and they got numerous other high quality pieces. But when it was all done, 2 rings to none says the Giants clearly won.

Eli had the better career because of the SB’s of course, but the trade itself I think was a draw, they both got HOF QB’s out of it, and so much more goes into winning a SB than only the QB.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Eli had the better career because of the SB’s of course, but the trade itself I think was a draw, they both got HOF QB’s out of it, and so much more goes into winning a SB than only the QB.

True. But at the end of the day you make the big swings at the top of the draft for a QB for one thing - rings. That's it. The Giants got 'em. The Chargers really didn't make much post season noise at all going 5-7 in the playoffs with Rivers.

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

True. But at the end of the day you make the big swings at the top of the draft for a QB for one thing - rings. That's it. The Giants got 'em. The Chargers really didn't make much post season noise at all going 5-7 in the playoffs with Rivers.

And Eli was 0-4 in his career in the playoffs outside of the two SB seasons.  It’s not like Eli was dragging inferior teams to succes, he needed a fully built out team to win those SB’s.

If you remove the two SB’s, Rivers was the better QB between them.  I’m not taking away from how Eli played in those runs, but I’m not going to say those SB’s couldn’t have happened with Rivers either.

Which is why Eli had the better career, but the trade itself was a draw.

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

And Eli was 0-4 in his career in the playoffs outside of the two SB seasons.  It’s not like Eli was dragging inferior teams to succes, he needed a fully built out team to win those SB’s.

If you remove the two SB’s, Rivers was the better QB between them.  I’m not taking away from how Eli played in those runs, but I’m not going to say those SB’s couldn’t have happened with Rivers either.

Which is why Eli had the better career, but the trade itself was a draw.

Eli's play in those two SBs runs was off the charts though. Two rings > none. 

 

 

 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Eli's play in those two SBs runs was off the charts though. Two rings > none. 

 

 

 

I'm not dismissing that, but again, that's why Eli had a better career than Rivers, because he put those runs together, even though Rivers was the better player, but that doesn't mean the Giants "clearly won the trade" like you said.

Rivers only started 6 more games than Eli and played in 8 more than him, but despite that, Rivers had 17 more wins, 6,400 more yards, 55 more TDs, 35 less INTs, and a 4.5% better completions, while making 8 Pro Bowls to Eli's 4, and all those extra stats came in somehow only a total of 15 more pass attempts in his career than Eli had.

The SB's are really the only part of their careers that Eli was better than Rivers, so there's a very real argument to be made that had the Giants not made the trade and just kept Rivers, they very well might have had even more success than they did under Eli, and because of that, I can't say they won the trade itself.

Edited 6 hours ago by tukafan21