Are the Panthers still coddling Bryce?

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

Instead of giving young guy confidence boost after stellar performance near end of the season, you want to kill his confidence by bringing his potential replacement?  Wow, talking about a disaster of a decision.

Bryce should understand just like anyone in the NFL that injuries can happen at any time. The team is about more than Bryce.  Drafting or picking up someone in FA that can develop as a backup, and play competently for a few games at least is a very good thing. 

Would you rather go 0-3 during a BY injury and miss the playoffs because we're scared to hurt his feelings by bringing in another QB, or win 1 or 2 of those games and get in as a wild card. 

This isn't about making Bryce comfortable. It's about building the best team possible. If Bryce is playing better than his backup, then he should start, if not, his backup should. It's not personal, it's the nature of elite sports. 

[jfra78]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

1) committing to your QB is not a bad thing

2) putting your QB in the best situation to win by getting him a good OL and giving him a lot of weapons is not a bad thing.

We are heading in the right direction. Feeling some positivity about the team is not a bad thing.

 

 

I agree, but Bryce and his following are out of excuses this year.  He needs to come out the gate running

[rayzor]

Just now, jfra78 said:

I agree, but Bryce and his following are out of excuses this year.  He needs to come out the gate running

Did he not come off the bench running?

He's not going anywhere, nor should he be.

BY9 is going to be the panthers QB for a long time.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think we should have tried to iimprove our QB room. Dalton as a mentor is fine but I don't want him playing long term. We should always be trying to improve, even in the backup QB spot. 

I'm more concerned about the team than a year one particular player. Look at Purdy, Dak, and Brady. All young backup players that had success once they had an opportunity to injury. Players that started moving forward. Jimmy G was a backup that was traded for a 2nd. These are exceptions to the rule, but you'll never find the gem if you never look. 

We should be developing multiple QBs all the time. BY is the starter for now but should always feel pushed. I don't want the team to fall apart if BY suffers an injury. Next man up. 

Always try to improve the caliber of players on your team. 

When you have a young QB, you have a aging vet behind him, after he becomes an established starter you can get a developmental QB to be the second.  This is generally how it works in the NFL.  Having two young QBs does nothing

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Did he not come off the bench running?

He's not going anywhere, nor should he be.

BY9 is going to be the panthers QB for a long time.

Okay no more excuses then, he can't come out game 1 looking like he did at the beginning of last year

[rayzor]

Just now, jfra78 said:

Okay no more excuses then, he can't come out game 1 looking like he did at the beginning of last year

I think he comes out looking like he did to finish the season.

[jfra78]

Just now, rayzor said:

I think he comes out looking like he did to finish the season.

I hope so, I'm not saying he won't.  I'm saying no more excuses

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Did he not come off the bench running?

He's not going anywhere, nor should he be.

BY9 is going to be the panthers QB for a long time.

I still think people look at how Bryce ended the season wrong.

Yes, he was clearly a million times better than he was as a rookie or even the start of last season, but he was still miles away from being some great QB.  He was a serviceable game manager who did some nice things, but he still wasn't a "#1 draft pick that you trade the farm for" type of player.

Again, I'm never going to root for his failure, I'm rooting for him to become the best QB in the league as long as he's a Panther.  But he's still more on the wrong side of the fence at the moment for being our long term QB solution, he has to prove he can be that FAR more than the opposite, as he hasn't done anything yet to earn that distinction. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

When you have a young QB, you have a aging vet behind him, after he becomes an established starter you can get a developmental QB to be the second.  This is generally how it works in the NFL.  Having two young QBs does nothing

You can have 3 QBs on the roster, even if one is protected on the PS. I get that this is how it's done now in the NFL, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

NfL teams also throw rookies in before they're ready, BY being a perfect example, instead of sitting them and letting them learn. 

I understand Daltons presence, but he is not the future at the backup position. So it is in our best interests to churn through potential QBs to find someone with backup potential for when Dalton is gone, if BY is still the starter, to learn as QB2 at that time. 

I like to get ahead

[jfra78]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

You can have 3 QBs on the roster, even if one is protected on the PS. I get that this is how it's done now in the NFL, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

NfL teams also throw rookies in before they're ready, BY being a perfect example, instead of sitting them and letting them learn. 

I understand Daltons presence, but he is not the future at the backup position. So it is in our best interests to churn through potential QBs to find someone with backup potential for when Dalton is gone, if BY is still the starter, to learn as QB2 at that time. 

I like to get ahead

If BY proves to be the future they will probably draft a project next year to hold the clipboard.  If Bryce flames out we will be drafting a new QB and signing an aging vet to a 2 year deal

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If BY proves to be the future they will probably draft a project next year to hold the clipboard.  If Bryce flames out we will be drafting a new QB and signing an aging vet to a 2 year deal

You have more confidence in our FO than I do at this point. Over the course of Pamthers history we've seen very little of competent GM team building. I'm glad you have that confidence in Dan. Right now, I don't. 

[L-TownCat]

How anyone can look at the previous year’s roster and say it was all the QBs fault is teetering on a learning disability.

Bryce showed growth.  Hopefully he continues to develop.  The roster is improving so we should start to see better football.  All you can do now is wait and see.

[tukafan21]

13 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If BY proves to be the future they will probably draft a project next year to hold the clipboard.  If Bryce flames out we will be drafting a new QB and signing an aging vet to a 2 year deal

I'm not sure drafting a project is the way to go, the NFL is in a weird place right now when it comes to QB's.

There aren't 32 elite starting caliber QB's at the moment, but there are far more than 32 serviceable QB's right now.  The quality level of many backup QB's right now is far higher than it ever used to be.

If Bryce proves himself on the field, I'd rather keep using our draft picks on guys who might actually play for us, and then go find a new backup every year or two and bring in either a Flacco type, the aging vet who would be solid in a pinch, or a Jameis, Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, etc, type who while they've struggled as a starter before, are still going to be better backup QB's than the late round draft pick projects.

[Paa Langfart]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That and the attempts to put pieces around Cam failing. We spent a 1st on KB and he flamed out after a promising start then a 2nd on Funchess and he just failed to launch. All the Cam detractors claiming he was the problem with receivers not working out, I just ask them to name all the receivers whose careers blossomed after they were able to escape having to play with Cam. Don't worry, I'll wait. LOL 

Well Funchess caught a td pass in a winning superbowl effort.