Round 4, Pick 20 (#122) - Lathan Ransom, SAF, Ohio State

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Basbear said:

bro you read it wrong or something.

scourton is 29

swinson is 47

princely is 50 basically same edge.

 

Ill give you eitenne wasn't highly rated, but his trait was by PFF- Trevor Etienne's 10-yard split at the NFL Combine was 1.51 seconds. This time ranked second-best among running backs at the combine, tied with another player. Looking for PFF traits, they also said he was a perfect zone system fit, the Panthers run zone base. 

 

PFF only gave 3 A+ grades, Panthers were one of them. 100% played a role, one of new hires started PFF and they were using his new/old models. Dave talked about getting updates on player runs, there was a RB one right at eitenne. 

I mean I think they potentially had a good draft but no way I would great it as an A+.  Thats pretty nuts

[Basbear]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean I think they potentially had a good draft but no way I would great it as an A+.  Thats pretty nuts

I have a tougher scale than others and gave it a nights sleep. I feel its a solid "B". They knew Tmac in the 1st, would have no WR equal in the 2nd/57. Nic was rated in the 20s on many boards, Im sure on NFL ones too. It was the smart move to draft that way, plus since they seem............ committed to BY and he was throwing with Tmac(bonding). BY told the whole staff to draft him. 

They changed gears lots, but didn't pay future picks. They were not going to fill all the needs, just how bad it is. But I feel the DL has enough talent and depth now. They will be cutting players that other teams will want. They attacked the UDFA at DBs, maybe one of two stick.

I feel it was a smart outcome and half of players dropped below their true value while in the range of the Panthers pick. Part of it was due to 3-4 vs 4-3, but I thought overall they played a great "draft" game. I think its higher than normal odds that 3(maybe more) starters will come out of this draft too. That alone would make it "A+", but that's after two full years before it plays out, until then solid "B". 

[bythenbrs]

4 hours ago, Icege said:

Ransom isn't being brought in to be the free/boundary safety. He's coming in to be the back-up and eventual replacement for Trevon Moehrig as the strong/box safety.

Moehrig's current deal has his cap hit leaping from $7.2M this season to $21.3M next season and $22.5M in 2027. He can be cut then though to save $16.5M.

Ransom being a day three pick means that he's going to have to cut his teeth on special teams and be ready to rotate in if Moehrig goes down.

I believe that the team is still looking to bring in Blackmon to be the starting FS, but could see them opting to see what Demani does as the starter.

Thanks.  That clears it up for me.  Much appreciated.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

I have a tougher scale than others and gave it a nights sleep. I feel its a solid "B". They knew Tmac in the 1st, would have no WR equal in the 2nd/57. Nic was rated in the 20s on many boards, Im sure on NFL ones too. It was the smart move to draft that way, plus since they seem............ committed to BY and he was throwing with Tmac(bonding). BY told the whole staff to draft him. 

They changed gears lots, but didn't pay future picks. They were not going to fill all the needs, just how bad it is. But I feel the DL has enough talent and depth now. They will be cutting players that other teams will want. They attacked the UDFA at DBs, maybe one of two stick.

I feel it was a smart outcome and half of players dropped below their true value while in the range of the Panthers pick. Part of it was due to 3-4 vs 4-3, but I thought overall they played a great "draft" game. I think its higher than normal odds that 3(maybe more) starters will come out of this draft too. That alone would make it "A+", but that's after two full years before it plays out, until then solid "B". 

I think we can get 2-3 starters and up to 3 more good contributors.  That's something I've never seen from a Panthers draft

Edited yesterday at 07:04 PM by jfra78

[Basbear]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I think we can get 2-3 starters and up to 3 more good contributors.  That's something I've never seen from a Panthers draft

Tmac should be starting this yr. That's one...

*Next year either Nic or Prince should be starting.. Thats two. I mean with the clowny trade/cut talks heating up, it could be right now... I hope Clowny stays and both rookies season-up some. 

Now I feel even with Icage saying Ransom is the backup to Morn, he can start this season. He's got what starting safety have and played in heavy pressure in front of 100,000 fans. He's mentally ready if need this year. I honestly hope they put him out and see if its possible.

Now NT Cam and TE Mitchell, I give both a 20% chance to start 2026. Not to......well yes, the TE group is among the weakest, Mitchell just needs to be better than Tremble and Sanders= 20%.

Going far out on the "Panthers could have 3 starters" limb, if slot is considered a starter, in the next few years Horn *could be a starting slot. If slot qualifies, I gave horn 2% chance to take over that role. 

 

Etienne I feel has the longest shot at filling the starter role, even less than Horn....which horn could win the starting PK or KR job...but Im not going to count that in my "3 starter" statement. .01% chance

 

I mean, Im huffing the new draft hope sent and all. I think when we revisit this after two full off seasons, 3 starters could happen. That would make it a A+ and have early "best" draft talks...

Bump this and let some mod lock it after Im right.....

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Tmac should be starting this yr. That's one...

*Next year either Nic or Prince should be starting.. Thats two. I mean with the clowny trade/cut talks heating up, it could be right now... I hope Clowny stays and both rookies season-up some. 

Now I feel even with Icage saying Ransom is the backup to Morn, he can start this season. He's got what starting safety have and played in heavy pressure in front of 100,000 fans. He's mentally ready if need this year. I honestly hope they put him out and see if its possible.

Now NT Cam and TE Mitchell, I give both a 20% chance to start 2026. Not to......well yes, the TE group is among the weakest, Mitchell just needs to be better than Tremble and Sanders= 20%.

Going far out on the "Panthers could have 3 starters" limb, if slot is considered a starter, in the next few years Horn *could be a starting slot. If slot qualifies, I gave horn 2% chance to take over that role. 

 

Etienne I feel has the longest shot at filling the starter role, even less than Horn....which horn could win the starting PK or KR job...but Im not going to count that in my "3 starter" statement. .01% chance

 

I mean, Im huffing the new draft hope sent and all. I think when we revisit this after two full off seasons, 3 starters could happen. That would make it a A+ and have early "best" draft talks...

Bump this and let some mod lock it after Im right.....

I said 2 to 3 I think Scourton starts with Clowney rotating in, if he is on the team. T mac starts for sure that's 2.  I think that Ransom has a chance to start.  Thats 2-3 

[Captain Morgan]

I don't want to trade Clowney.  I hope he can mentor our 2 young guys now that he has someone to help.  And Wonnum looked once he got his feet under him.  The 4 should make a nice package.

Clowney's trade value is not much at all.  A 5th at best.  He's old and getting close to the end.  You gonna trade more than a 5th for a couple of years of going from 32 to 34?

[Basbear]

26 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

I don't want to trade Clowney.  I hope he can mentor our 2 young guys now that he has someone to help.  And Wonnum looked once he got his feet under him.  The 4 should make a nice package.

Clowney's trade value is not much at all.  A 5th at best.  He's old and getting close to the end.  You gonna trade more than a 5th for a couple of years of going from 32 to 34?

We dont know what happened with the clowney reports. (he could be asking for $$$ or trade, idk)I agree with you, his value is near zip. Even 6 years ago in his "prime", only a late 3rd was given for him. Since then hes been on one year deals until the panthers gave him 2 years. 5 years of one year deals, that's no faith.....

I know during TC last year, moton, icky, ANY OLmen could not block him. He played too many snaps this past year due to the serve suckage of edge Panthers. 

My honest take- the Panthers want to use that 7.8 in cap else where and I mean even as a "2026" roll over. *Or they want asked around and think he's a 5 million player, thus want him to take a pay cut. 

I hope they "makeup" and he remains a Panther. Nic maaaaayyybe ready to start a few games, not 17+ gulp....playoffs?!?!?! Prince is NOT ready, minus 3rd down and long. Nic is the youngest player in the draft........allow clowney to stay and if around the trade deadline, if all playoff hope is lost, trade him for whatever. This is the way.... Use the IQ Brandt/Dan!!!

[vorbis]

y'all I like Ransom already. he's got a legit Peanut Punch *right now* and he shows a lot of promise in reading blocking schemes to make a difference in run defense.

and for those saying he will start on ST--hell yes. he has blocked multiple punts at OSU.

 

love the pick.

Edited 2 hours ago by vorbis