Will we trade tonight?

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But that's exactly why the Bears would need to trade up for him, because the whole league will know they plan on taking him if we pass on him, it won't be hard to bluff the Bears that we have someone else trying to trade up to take Jeanty, such as the Cowboys.

And that's even if a bluff is needed, if that scenario plays out, I guarantee we'll have trade offers for someone to try and get Jeanty anyways.

I also think it's all a moot discussion anyways, as I don't see him getting past 6.  Someone is trading up with the Jags to take him at 5 or I think he's going to the Raiders at 6.

I don't get all the Jeanty to the Jags talk.  I think that's the smokescreen.  Think they want to trade down and let someone take him. 

They got 2 good enough RBs on the roster and tons of holes.  They were right there with us defensively in the gutter and they got basically 1 WR.  But it's the Jags so who knows.  Them trading down makes more sense than anyone. 

[tukafan21]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You have no cards to bluff with. The Saints want to trade down, everyone wants to trade down. Nobody wants to trade up because they know they can just sit tight and get a good player to fill a need. If Jeanty doesn't go in the top 5 he will fall to the Bears at 10. If they pass and go OT then Dallas gets him. I think he ends up in Dallas without them trading up. I wish they would trade with us if he drops out of the top 5 but they know who will want to trade up as well as the Bears already. So you will not bluff anyone into a trade. 

I think if he falls to 8 the Bears and Cowboys get into a bidding war with us as they’ll both want him, so sure, bluff may be the wrong term, but if he falls to us, I’d be shocked if we don’t make a trade with one of those two teams.

And the Bears won’t be able to stand pat then as there isn’t a scenario for him to fall to them at 10, it’s either trade up to get him or the Cowboys do

Edited 4 hours ago by tukafan21

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't get all the Jeanty to the Jags talk.  I think that's the smokescreen.  Think they want to trade down and let someone take him. 

They got 2 good enough RBs on the roster and tons of holes.  They were right there with us defensively in the gutter and they got basically 1 WR.  But it's the Jags so who knows.  Them trading down makes more sense than anyone. 

If Jeanty doesn't go to the Raiders his next likely stop is the Bears, but the desperately need an OT. So Dallas may fall ass backwards into Jeanty.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

I think if he falls to 8 the Bears and Cowboys get into a bidding war with us as they’ll both want him, so sure, bluff may be the wrong term, but if he falls to us, I’d be shocked if we don’t make a trade with one of those two teams

The Bears don't have to trade with us but Dallas does. Dallas can take the next best wr on the board which is what they desperately need. Everyone has options behind us and I do not think anyone will be desperate to trade up for him. Now the Broncos however may want to trade with us but I don't think Dan wants to go that far back.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The Bears don't have to trade with us but Dallas does. Dallas can take the next best wr on the board which is what they desperately need. Everyone has options behind us and I do not think anyone will be desperate to trade up for him. Now the Broncos however may want to trade with us but I don't think Dan wants to go that far back.

But if Dallas is willing to trade up, then yes, the Bears do have to trade up to get him.

You’re making it sound like no matter what, the bears can stay put and get him, but they can’t.

Hell, even if he’s there at 8 and we don’t trade with Dallas, then Dallas has the same chance to trade with the Saints to take him before the Bears get the chance.

Which is why if Jeanty falls to 8, I think our best bet is to try and trade with the Bears, whether it’s bluffing a Cowboys offer or we have a real offer from them, the Bears have to take it into consideration that the Cowboys have 2 spots to try and trade above them for the guy they want 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But if Dallas is willing to trade up, then yes, the Bears do have to trade up to get him.

You’re making it sound like no matter what, the bears can stay put and get him, but they can’t.

Hell, even if he’s there at 8 and we don’t trade with Dallas, then Dallas has the same chance to trade with the Saints to take him before the Bears get the chance.

Which is why if Jeanty falls to 8, I think our best bet is to try and trade with the Bears, whether it’s bluffing a Cowboys offer or we have a real offer from them, the Bears have to take it into consideration that the Cowboys have 2 spots to try and trade above them for the guy they want 

They do not have to trade because they can take a tackle. They are not desperate to take a RB. They may not take Jeanty even if he is there. They are the only team that "might" take him and it appears the wouldn't even if he is. You cannot convince Dallas otherwise in this situation. 

[jfra78]

40 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The Saints are not taking Jeanty. They need defense and a qb. The Bears do not have to trade up because he will fall right into their lap.

Only way they trade up is if Dallas is trying to trade up

[Jon Snow]

Just now, jfra78 said:

Only way they trade up is if Dallas is trying to trade up

I'm not convinced that Dallas will need to trade up. They need a wr just as bad as a rb. They can just wait to see which fall to them. There will be a lot of d-line and o-line picks that will push skill positions down into the top 12 to 15.

[jfra78]

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not convinced that Dallas will need to trade up. They need a wr just as bad as a rb. They can just wait to see which fall to them. There will be a lot of d-line and o-line picks that will push skill positions down into the top 12 to 15.

Maybe they trade up because they got jumped last year by us and took their guy

[Panthers Rhule]

4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I think if Membou is there we may take him. For both Graham and Membou to be there someone above us has to take another qb or another wr. That would blow up mock drafts everywhere lol.

I get that feeling too. If Membou drops to us he's the pick. BPA and a need. 

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've been saying for awhile now that if there's a massive curveball coming tonight it's us drafting an OT.

I've had this feeling for a while too. It's one of our biggest needs imo. Particularly RT. Membou would be a great pick at 8 if he were available. If now I think it's the OTHER UGA guy. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Panthers Rhule said:

I get that feeling too. If Membou drops to us he's the pick. BPA and a need. 

I've had this feeling for a while too. It's one of our biggest needs imo. Particularly RT. Membou would be a great pick at 8 if he were available. If now I think it's the OTHER UGA guy. 

OT is only a need if we think Moton's career may be over and not even play this season.

If the team isn't concerned about that, then an OT in the 1st round is the definition of a luxury pick, as realistically, no rookie OT should play a snap for us this year unless we have injuries.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If he is there and Graham isnt picked you can bet your ass posters will be saying a lot worse about morgan

If they pick Walker over Graham it wouldn't upset me.  We need LB more than DT