Round 1 - Panthers Select Tetairoa McMillan at Pick 8

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Oh, the previous year when he had 9 catches for 107 yards in the game, while catching (I believe, again, not trying to re-research it at this point) 3 of the 5 targets he had while Hunter was covering him, including a 1 on 1 red zone matchup where T-Mac created separation in a short space and made a nasty catch for the Touchdown, oh and not to mention also drawing a PI call on Hunter in coverage as well?

Yea, what a bum we just drafted.

 

you keep going on and on and on and on about his separation when every report on him cites his lack of separation as a negative going into the draft.  Any amateur nfl scout can pull up the tape and see he is not a quick wr and struggles with press coverage.  Quit pissing on our leg and telling us its raining we have fuging eyes

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

you keep going on and on and on and on about his separation when every report on him cites his lack of separation as a negative going into the draft.  Any amateur nfl scout can pull up the tape and see he is not a quick wr and struggles with press coverage.  Quit pissing on our leg and telling us its raining we have fuging eyes

Brother it's the next day. He's a Panther. Accept it or unplug.

[rayzor]

This makes me feel better. Still wanted defense. And I'm still in shock, but this helps right here...

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, frankw said:

Brother it's the next day. He's a Panther. Accept it or unplug.

nah I am just sick of this poverty ass franchise making stupid ass mistakes.  This feels exactly like last year with XL.  Sure I hope I am wrong but Im not going to be.  We are the 2005 detroit lions.  I will reiterate again, we had the worst defense in the history of the nfl and we choose (another) first round wr, one that is not particularly fast or have have elite route running at pick #8.   When you say that out loud it just makes you shake your head

at pick 8

 

guess the player

player A

Weaknesses

• Linear release makes it tougher to elude press.
• Doesn't create much threat in the drive phase.
• Routes could use better urgency and finish.
• Forced into a heavy percentage of contested targets.
• Takes inconsistent paths to the deep ball when tracking.
• Average toughness on run after catch.

Player B

Weaknesses

• Can win the catch phase, but the release and route phases lack polish.
• Tennessee’s tight press-man coverage was all over him for much of the game.
• Rushes through route design rather than selling it to the cornerbacks.
• Below-average quickness getting in and out of his breaks.
• Hits cruise control and waits for jump balls rather than keeping foot on the gas.

[Martin]

While I do have some doubts, he has fantastic hands, something we surely need. Also seems like a great young man. I will lean in on Tukafans analysis and hope it all comes to fruition. In our spot, this was not a reach, an edge would have been.

[Icege]

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

This makes me feel better. Still wanted defense. And I'm still in shock, but this helps right here...

 

 

Micah is going to have such a fun second chapter after he retires.

Getting the player with the best opportunity to develop into a true X in this class is a move I can get down with. If T-Mac and XL develop into a 1a/1b duo...

[Joe Bear]

56 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Mahomes rarely looks like an UDFA that has to be benched. Bryce still hasnt reached Elite status yet. This year he has to.

Young hasn’t looked like that since September of last year…?

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

nah I am just sick of this poverty ass franchise making stupid ass mistakes.  This feels exactly like last year with XL.  Sure I hope I am wrong but Im not going to be.  We are the 2005 detroit lions.  I will reiterate again, we had the worst defense in the history of the nfl and we choose (another) first round wr, one that is not particularly fast or have have elite route running at pick #8.   When you say that out loud it just makes you shake your head

at pick 8

 

guess the player

player A

Weaknesses

• Linear release makes it tougher to elude press.
• Doesn't create much threat in the drive phase.
• Routes could use better urgency and finish.
• Forced into a heavy percentage of contested targets.
• Takes inconsistent paths to the deep ball when tracking.
• Average toughness on run after catch.

Player B

Weaknesses

• Can win the catch phase, but the release and route phases lack polish.
• Tennessee’s tight press-man coverage was all over him for much of the game.
• Rushes through route design rather than selling it to the cornerbacks.
• Below-average quickness getting in and out of his breaks.
• Hits cruise control and waits for jump balls rather than keeping foot on the gas.

This is and always was a build for the next upcoming seasons not this season. We all knew the defense was going to take a couple of offseasons to get right. Just like the offense has taken a few years after we traded Moore to get a QB and reset.

If your argument is you wanted defense that's fine but this does (regardless of how you feel about the prospect because of preconceived notions you've created about him personally which you've gone out of your way to tell us about) unequivocally change our offense for the better. I mean ffs we tried to acquire Metcalf and inquired about Higgins. Obviously we and the FO knew the WR room was not acceptable. We've got plenty of picks left and I definitely think we will walk away with a couple defensive studs tonight.

Let's see what else they've got planned first and go from there. I'm still wait and see like I've always been.

[CRA]

my issue is simply, we spent back to back first round picks on essentially 2 guys who are best suited for the exact same role.   So we naturally limiting the roster/build/improvement.  XL was fine or Tmac would be fine for the job.  It's the back to back investment for ideally the same job.  Then you factor in how much that type role should be prioritized in a Bryce O vs other roles. 

it's the lack of diversity.  The needs on offense were clear for me going in.  Team needs some quick and YAC play on the O.  That's not Tmac.  Needs playmakers to get the ball out quick to behind the line of scrimmage and over the middle. Tmac will be developing for the role we are developing XL for.   And while you can say, well, you can have two of those guy? Sure.  But I want Baker Mayfield and to be running the Bucs O Canales did there.  But that's not us.  We got Bryce Young. 

and Tmac on the surface doesn't check a lot of the dawg boxes.  He doesn't play as his size suggest.  More finesse than physical.  McShay literally uses are own verbage against us.....as in not a dawg.   Tmac requires external motivation. 

I still don't see that the Panthers have a big picture vision on O.  They got a pass for the mismatch last year because we all thought Bryce would be done.  They get less of a pass this year. 

[Icege]

I don't particularly see T-Mac and XL as the same type of players.

• XL fits as the X since he's got the top-end speed to challenge the deep coverage, but could also play the Z as his route running has improved tremendously from college.
• T-Mac fits as the Z since he's got a more refined route tree already and can be put in motion to hide him from press, but could also play the X with his ability in contested catch situations and eat up yards after the catch with his long stride.
• Coker fits as a power slot that can also play the Z.
• AT is the slot king.

T-Mac's going to need to level up his run blocking, but as the Z he'll also often line up near the TE so he's gonna have help there if it's Tremble (if it's Sanders though... miiiight be best to run to the weak-side instead).

[MechaZain]

giving Benjamin and Funchess 2.0 ngl, but I'm encouraged that McMillian is a much better prospect than Funchess and that we also have Coker to take the pressure off. Going to be really interesting to see how the targets go when we have no clear #1. 

[therealmjl]

Just now, MechaZain said:

giving Benjamin and Funchess 2.0 ngl, but I'm encouraged that McMillian is a much better prospect than Funchess and that we also have Coker to take the pressure off. Going to be really interesting to see how the targets go when we have no clear #1. 

Tet is a clear #1

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Icege said:

I don't particularly see T-Mac and XL as the same type of players.

• XL fits as the X since he's got the top-end speed to challenge the deep coverage, but could also play the Z as his route running has improved tremendously from college.
• T-Mac fits as the Z since he's got a more refined route tree already and can be put in motion to hide him from press, but could also play the X with his ability in contested catch situations and eat up yards after the catch with his long stride.
• Coker fits as a power slot that can also play the Z.
• AT is the slot king.

T-Mac's going to need to level up his run blocking, but as the Z he'll also often line up near the TE so he's gonna have help there if it's Tremble (if it's Sanders though... miiiight be best to run to the weak-side instead).

I don't think they are the same type player, I just think they both ideally are suited to be the Z. 

if we were going to address O in this offense......it needed to be speed and YAC IMO.  AT is our slot king.  Which remains a limiting factor for this O.  A problem we bill as as a strength. Also, an issue we don't have guys who can make plays out of the backfield/line of scrimmage.  I don't think Tmac really does much to change the areas on the field we need to really improve on. 

When we drafted Bryce......no huddler would have ever said this is what you wanted to see us do and would work w/ that type QB.  Which is basically my argument. 

[rayzor]

I was watching the reactions of different people to the pic on YouTube this morning and Mike McCarthy said that there are two types of receivers: Framers and Pluckers. Framers have to frame the ball up to catch it sbd pluckers just pluck the ball out of the air no matter where it is and TMac is obviously a plucker, which is kind of fun to watch but almost boring  because he just makes it look effortless.

What got me was there was some DB also on the show that said "DBs love Framers" .

I know people will talk about his level of competition in college vs what he will face in the pros (which can be said for any player coming into the pros from college....it's a silly argument).

But it's obvious that TMac was THE focal point of their offense. It was obvious to people watching, but also obvious to teams they were playing. Teams they faced KNEW that they were going to be going to TMac early and often and that they had to put most of their efforts into stopping him, so they did and they couldn't.

Not only could they not stop him, he made it look easy and effortless. He absolutely dominated and there is no question about that.

If you have a player, let's say a WR, that has been playing against defenders who might not be the best out there, what do you want to see them do? Struggle? Have to fight hard to keep it competitive? Or do you want him to make it look effortless and make it look like a man playing against  children?

I was/am still in shock a bit because 1) it's obvious that the biggest need we had was defense even though WR was still a huge nerd and 2) I really believed that it was going to be defense. There was no doubt in my mind that we would be going defense and there was nothing leaking out of pantherland from usual media sources or from the few remaining people/connections I had come to rely on that indicated they were seriously considering TMac.

This tells me 2 things.

1) they are doing better about keeping their intentions quiet and misleading the NFL community (this is good)

2) they went by their board exclusively and didn't draft based on need, but by BPA using their own standards and metrics and weren't swayed by what all the draft pundits were saying (this also is good).

I will get more comfortable with the pick, and so will 99% of the rest of you. For the remainder 1%....they just need to eat more fiber.