Wr Jameson Williams ???

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Hard crowd.

Just like with any transaction, it depends on the price.

Yea I'd do it for a 4th rounder, but I'm pretty sure they're going to want more than that.

[Panthro]

13 minutes ago, Shocker said:

[Panfan35]

1 no one is giving a 1st round pick they trying to trade him cause they don’t have the money to pay him Jared Goff contract has them strapped. They’re trying to lock up core players with limited funds. 
 So I would do anything to get this done sure he had some bumps in the road but he is turning the corner had a career year last year so I wouldn’t mind if it took multiple picks to get it done like a 2 one of our 4th or 5th picks I really think he can be had even pull off a pick swap with any thing other than our 1st

[Wolfcop]

I wanted to include him in the Burns trade. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Panfan35 said:

1 no one is giving a 1st round pick they trying to trade him cause they don’t have the money to pay him Jared Goff contract has them strapped. They’re trying to lock up core players with limited funds. 
 So I would do anything to get this done sure he had some bumps in the road but he is turning the corner had a career year last year so I wouldn’t mind if it took multiple picks to get it done like a 2 one of our 4th or 5th picks I really think he can be had even pull off a pick swap with any thing other than our 1st

They don't have to pay him yet, still have up to 2 more years of control on his rookie contract.

The Lions are in a WIN NOW mode right now, they aren't worried about the future are the moment, they have a legit SB window for the first time in their franchise history.

So trading a player with his game breaking potential right now, even if the plan is to use their 1st on a WR to replace him, just doesn't make a lot of sense from the Lions standpoint, unless they are concerned about his off field stuff and being able to stay on the straight and narrow.

Even a later pick, I'm not sure it's the right move for us right now because that means we're then banking on him as our #1 WR, and if he does something else dumb and gets suspended, we're screwed and it will further hinder Bryce's development in a critical year to see if he can be our QB moving forward.

If the rumor was that we were reaching out trying to trade for him, I'd have been much more likely to be on the side of wanting to do it.  But since it's coming from the Lions side in wanting to move him, it's just a big screaming red flag of concern to me.

[tukafan21]

Just now, Wolfcop said:

I wanted to include him in the Burns trade. 

Same

I was trying to say we trade Burns for Williams and a 1st before the 2023 season even started when he was under suspension.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea I'd do it for a 4th rounder, but I'm pretty sure they're going to want more than that.

They can get a 3rd if he just signs elsewhere so they will want a 1st without question.

[ChibCU]

24 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

They don't have to pay him yet, still have up to 2 more years of control on his rookie contract.

Aren't the 5th year option cap hits still sizeable? Google is telling me it would be $15.5 million to pick it up.

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Aren't the 5th year option cap hits still sizeable? Google is telling me it would be $15.5 million to pick it up.

And if he improves again this season, $15 million in 2026 would be a massive bargain for a WR of his ability and game breaking potential and something a team with a SB window will find a way to make sure it work for the year.  Especially as even if they REALLY can't afford to keep him after that, they can then franchise tag him so they can trade him for a great return.

Goff has a monster arm and combined with Williams speed gives the Lions one of the best explosive play threats in the league, which is a perfect compliment to both Amon Ra as their #1 and their run based offense.

I just can't see any way they'd want to trade him if they didn't have serious concerns about him, likely because of his recent off field stuff.

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[ChibCU]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

And if he improves again this season, $15 million in 2026 would be a massive bargain for a WR of his ability and game breaking potential and something a team with a SB window will find a way to make sure it work for the year.  Especially as even if they REALLY can't afford to keep him after that, they can then franchise tag him so they can trade him for a great return.

Goff has a monster arm and combined with Williams speed gives the Lions one of the best explosive play threats in the league, which is a perfect compliment to both Amon Ra as their #1 and their run based offense.

I just can't see any way they'd want to trade him if they didn't have serious concerns about him, likely because of his recent off field stuff.

Because there is a salary cap and he isn't a top priority for them. However, just because he's not a priority for them, it doesn't mean someone else wouldn't value him more. This is their last chance to get any compensation before letting him walk.

[tukafan21]

29 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Because there is a salary cap and he isn't a top priority for them. However, just because he's not a priority for them, it doesn't mean someone else wouldn't value him more. This is their last chance to get any compensation before letting him walk.

That couldn't be any more incorrect.

They can still pick up his 5th year option and then trade him next offseason.  They can still decline the option, let him walk in FA next year, and as long as he has a good season will likely bring them back a 3rd round comp.  And they could do either of the above and then still franchise tag him afterwards and then trade him for what would be a really good return, assuming he continues to progress and stay out of trouble.

All of this while he's only costing them $5.4 million against the cap and trading him would only get them $3 million in cap savings.

It makes zero sense to trade him this offseason unless they have serious concerns about him or unless they get a godfather offer they can't turn down.

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[ChibCU]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

That couldn't be any more incorrect.

They can still pick up his 5th year option and then trade him next offseason.  They can still decline the option, let him walk in FA next year, and as long as he has a good season will likely bring them back a 3rd round comp.  And they could do either of the above and then still franchise tag him afterwards and then trade him for what would be a really good return, assuming he continues to progress and stay out of trouble.

All of this while he's only costing them $5.4 million against the cap and trading him would only get them $3 million in cap savings.

It makes zero sense to trade him this offseason unless they have serious concerns about him or unless they get a godfather offer they can't turn down.

1) This is their last chance to get decent draft compensation. Is that better? A team who trades for a player on an expiring contract (the 5th year option in this hypothetical) is not going to give up much. The trade is essentially for the first right to sign the player to the second contract.

2) Compensatory pick is dependent on net free agency outcome and performance. A potential, late 3rd round pick next year is not as valuable as a 2nd round pick this year. These are forward-thinking roster moves that winning franchises make. I hope that makes sense to you.

[tukafan21]

37 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

1) This is their last chance to get decent draft compensation. Is that better? A team who trades for a player on an expiring contract (the 5th year option in this hypothetical) is not going to give up much. The trade is essentially for the first right to sign the player to the second contract.

2) Compensatory pick is dependent on net free agency outcome and performance. A potential, late 3rd round pick next year is not as valuable as a 2nd round pick this year. These are forward-thinking roster moves that winning franchises make. I hope that makes sense to you.

The Lions are not in a “forward thinking” mode right now, they are in a win a Super Bowl THIS season mode.

I’m from the Detroit area, you don’t understand how much this city is starving for a Super Bowl, they don’t care about the future right now, they care about maximizing their window right now, this season.

You also say it’s the last chance to get something good, but that’s nonsense, this is a 24 year old with legitimate Top 15 WR potential.  Teams were lined up to trade high draft picks for Higgins or Garrett Wilson if either came available, both of whom would need brand new big contracts. 

If Williams improves and plays 17 games next year while staying out of trouble, he’s would basically be in the same situation as Higgins the last 2 years, except with a higher potential ceiling and the 5th year option instead of back to back tags because he was a 2nd rounder.

Which is why if the Lions didn’t have concerns about him, they exercise the 5th year option and keep him this year.

Because if he has the expected season, he’s 100% bringing back a 1st rounder next year as a 25 year old not even reaching his prime yet, or they keep him for one year on a bargain bin value contract for the production.

Thats why if the Lions are the ones looking to move him, it’s a huge red flag that they have serious concerns about him or they are looking for at least a 1st rounder this year, which is then a super hard pass.