REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back

[Billy Goat]

11 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Would love that. 

All depends on who they trade with. If it was with the Bears as is speculated from Joe Person then it's only moving down two spots, so you probably would only get their 3rd rounder and would likely have to give them some day 3 picks. Or swap 1st/2nd rounders and give them a day 3 pick.

I don't think they're going to get a second rounder unless they trade into the lower half of the 1st round, but it seems like most of the movement is from teams around them. In that case the trades are likely going to be mediocre.

Edited 4 hours ago by Billy Goat

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

People keep saying this as a reason to move back, but for me, it's a reason to stay put.

Sure, let's say we agree with the premise that on the whole, teams think the talent level between the middle of the first through much of the second is pretty similar.  The problem is that teams don't view ALL of those players the same way, every team has certain players they like more than others, just as there are some they strongly dislike more than others.

Because of that, it's impossible to predict who will still be there if you trade back, more so than ever before.

For example, we could feel it's safe to trade back from 8 to say 20 because the player we really want, we don't think is going to be taken until the early 2nd, so they'll easily still be there at 20 in our minds.  The problem is that with this draft, that same player could be the 10th person on another team's board and thus will end up getting taken at like pick 13ish.

It's why I'd rather just stay put, take the player we feel strongest about at that time, and call it a day.

Oh know I think the drop off is much higher than mid 1st.  It probably starts before our pick.  Carter, Hunter, and Graham seem like the blue chip players to me.  So why pick a Walker/Mykel at 8 when you get get two players with a similar rating on your big board like Nolen or Starks for the same value.  Basically get two for one.  The question is who would want to trade up?  If a player like Jeanty is there (we can't afford to take a RB at 8 ) or a QB like Sanders is there and a team is high on him they could probably get there QB for less than in a normal draft.  

[tukafan21]

18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Oh know I think the drop off is much higher than mid 1st.  It probably starts before our pick.  Carter, Hunter, and Graham seem like the blue chip players to me.  So why pick a Walker/Mykel at 8 when you get get two players with a similar rating on your big board like Nolen or Starks for the same value.  Basically get two for one.  The question is who would want to trade up?  If a player like Jeanty is there (we can't afford to take a RB at 8 ) or a QB like Sanders is there and a team is high on him they could probably get there QB for less than in a normal draft.  

But my point is that it's a much more difficult draft to predict who will still be there after a trade back.

For example... look at the Lions draft from a couple years ago when they took Gibbs and I think a LB in the 1st and then LaPorta early in the 2nd.  They traded back and then still "overdrafted" the guys they were targeting, and they were able to do that because it was an "easier draft to predict" so they knew the guys they really wanted would still be there after the trade back.

This draft is going to be so unpredictable that a player we might think would still be there around pick 20 and the reason we'd want to do the 2 for 1 scenario you're talking about, could end up getting scooped up well before that.  

That's why I'd rather just take the guy we feel the strongest about, make sure we get them, and call it a day, not play chicken with ourselves and pray the 1 (or small handful of guys we like the most) player is still there when we're back on the clock.  To me, that is a better way to make sure the player we draft in the 1st will pan out, because we're taking someone we feel the strongest about, not "settling" for guys we like to get an extra pick out of it.

Edited 4 hours ago by tukafan21

[TheSpecialJuan]

true 

[frankw]

You don't make a deal just for the sake of making a deal when you already have the reputation of being a sucker. That was Scott Fitterer's motto. "In on every deal". Dude was even worse than Marty Hurney when it was all said and done. If Morgan follows in those footsteps and continues to draft poorly he will be sealing his own fate.

[DeAngelo Beason]

There's a good chance that moving back to the upper teens or low 20s nets us just as good of a player as we were looking to get at 8 to be honest.  This draft appears to be lacking in top flight, earth-shattering talent, but very strong overall.  It's about the perfect draft to have a lot of picks in.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I like our odds of getting a good player better at 8.  Agreed with TMacs agent.

[NAS]

Nooooooo we're about to get fleeced

[PantherKyle]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Never be desperate. When you're desperate you're gonna get fleeced. We shouldn't be desperate to trade down. Be willing to take the best player on your board if there isn't an appealing offer.

Watch something like trading #8 to Sean Payton in Denver for #20 and #85 or something equally awful.

The meat of this draft is 20 and 85. Don't even think having those two is much worse at all than 8. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

“But there’s one team that’s been a little more aggressive than the rest and that’s the #Panthers, who have the eighth pick. My understanding is they’re willing to take a discount to move down in an effort to try to build up their war chest of picks. It’s interesting, too, because Carolina isn’t hurting for volume with two fourths and three fifths.”

Breer confirms similar sentiment as McShay reported earlier.
 

Jesus christ we are an unserious organization 

[mrcompletely11]

50 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Makes sense considering there isn't much of a gap between upper 1st round talent and 2nd round talent in this particular draft.  Many teams are wanting to trade back.  It's just a bad draft for top talent...

No. It absolutely doesn't make sense

[Panthering]

I wouldn't be surprised if we did this, navigated it well last year when we got the Rams second round pick for this draft.

[Lurk21]

50 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/josephperson/status/1915116043791683988?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA
 

Return of dj moore... lol nah but ijs 

[Camp Fodder]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're gonna get absolutely fuging fleeced. Just watch. LOL 

This lol