REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

If that’s true then that’s a great way to blow up any kind of deal.  I’d never call them again.  There has to be some expected confidentiality.

Not only does it work EXACTLY like that, sometimes it's 4D chess being played by the team making those calls.  Was just listening to a show the other day where they were talking to a former front office person and they said that teams do this all the time leading into the draft.  

In an instance like this, I could absolutely see a scenario where we've fallen in love with a player and some other teams know it and we're afraid of someone a few picks behind us who we know is also interested in said player, might be looking to trade up ahead of us, maybe with the Jets, to take them before we do.

By being so overt and open about trying to trade back, it might make that team think we're actually going to do it.  And because of most draft day trades don't get made until that pick is on the clock, so us not making a trade before the draft starts won't be a signal that we're keeping it, that then trading up ahead of us to get this specific player won't be necessary anymore, so they stand pat, and in the end, we take the guy we wanted and our "bluff" worked.

This would be a much more effective strategy to hide who we want to take at 8 than to send smoke screens of other players, as making a lot of calls about trading back and that info "leaking to other teams" would be much more effective than trying to get draft analysts saying they're hearing we like X, Y, or Z other players a lot to throw teams off the scent of who we really like.

Edited 5 hours ago by tukafan21

[Camp Fodder]

37 minutes ago, ClawOn said:

Remember the 4th (114) we got from Jerry for *checks notes* Jonathan Mingo?  Imagine if we package that pick to move up and get a franchise changing player.

Instead of taking impact player at 37 we dropped to 57 to take that guy and we trade him in two years 

[Basbear]

10 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

No matter what the team does tomorrow The Huddle gonna be pissed off  

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

There's smoke that the 49ers would take Nolen at 11.

 

Currently Nolen is top ten lava hot. 

One of the better Dallas reporter swore Nolen would not make it past Dallas. 

 

[Camp Fodder]

Just now, Camp Fodder said:

Instead of taking impact player at 37 we dropped to 57 to take that guy and we trade him in two years 

Oops that was TMJ. My bad

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, Camp Fodder said:

Oops that was TMJ. My bad

Same thing really

[Swaggasaurus]

Conventionally this isn’t a normal draft. Normal rules don’t apply. There is no discernible difference between prospects from picks 5 to 100. Ward, Hunter, Carter, Warren, Jeanty. And two of those are a TE and RB…gasp… I would rather take us Carson Schwesinger at 8 than Mykel Williams…wouldn’t even feel bad about it.  Same thing for Derrick Harmon over Nolen. EZ over Walker. Simmons over Esery. The point is it doesn’t matter what other people rank player 10 and player 30 if the team feels they are even.  I don’t think we should get fleeced but if you give up a point or two in value…this the year to do it. I normally hate trading down, but the sweet spot is where it is.

[carpanfan96]

19 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

Conventionally this isn’t a normal draft. Normal rules don’t apply. There is no discernible difference between prospects from picks 5 to 100. Ward, Hunter, Carter, Warren, Jeanty. And two of those are a TE and RB…gasp… I would rather take us Carson Schwesinger at 8 than Mykel Williams…wouldn’t even feel bad about it.  Same thing for Derrick Harmon over Nolen. EZ over Walker. Simmons over Esery. The point is it doesn’t matter what other people rank player 10 and player 30 if the team feels they are even.  I don’t think we should get fleeced but if you give up a point or two in value…this the year to do it. I normally hate trading down, but the sweet spot is where it is.

This is the draft you trade up in, conventional wisdom plus statistics and analytics say you trade back in a normal draft. Where normal drafts have 16 players with first round grades... This one has maybe 8 depending on the team you speak with. 

 

If you can't trade up, you trade way back... like out of the first round all together way back. It's the only way the capital ends up being worth a move back for 95% of teams under normal circumstances. 

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're gonna get absolutely fuging fleeced. Just watch. LOL 

I pray not. 

[theinstrumental]

Can’t believe everyone just spent three months talking about how abnormally flat this draft was, and then got pissy when we considered trading back for less than normal.

Gotta play the hand you’re dealt. Bad top of the draft, bad offers. Still gotta do what’s best for a roster that has a lot of holes.

[theinstrumental]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Never be desperate. When you're desperate you're gonna get fleeced. We shouldn't be desperate to trade down. Be willing to take the best player on your board if there isn't an appealing offer.

Watch something like trading #8 to Sean Payton in Denver for #20 and #85 or something equally awful.

That’s almost precisely equal on the more modern charts, btw. Like I said in the Steelers trade thread, I don’t think it’ll happen, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Fitts is on speed dial. It's the only explanation for us being this predictable and stupid. 

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus dude its not an overreaction its a discussion of said tweet in the opening post.  I even copied the part I was referring to.  And nobody is getting morgan fired simply saying trading back on a discount will be on the laundry list of reasons.  Added under the brooks trade/pick etc. 

 

And no matter how talented or deep you think the draft is simply taking a discount on a top 10 pick for more middle round picks is fuging stupid, no matter how you try to slice it.

The conversation about a tweet that hasn’t even happened went to our GM getting fired.  Yes I get it was a cumulative series of events, but still a silly overreaction. We went from 2 to 6 wins and were trending up at season end yet we don’t like the idea of a trade down that hasn’t even happened so we are back to getting him poo canned. Yeah no overreaction here at all….

Who said it would just be middle round picks? It just wouldn’t be the same value in a draft where there is a big drop off but I’d assume 1st and 2nd round picks could be involved depending on how far down we trade. 

[ForJimmy]

15 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Can’t believe everyone just spent three months talking about how abnormally flat this draft was, and then got pissy when we considered trading back for less than normal.

Gotta play the hand you’re dealt. Bad top of the draft, bad offers. Still gotta do what’s best for a roster that has a lot of holes.

Trade up and they will cry, trade down they will cry, don’t draft the exact player they want and they will cry. These people are gluttons for punishment following a team like this…

[Shocker]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're gonna get absolutely fuging fleeced. Just watch. LOL 

Wait…but…that Morgan stare though.  This draft is gonna show us what these guys are made of but yeah…Lufthansa heist incoming