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REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back

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PootieNunu Grand Master

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus dude its not an overreaction its a discussion of said tweet in the opening post.  I even copied the part I was referring to.  And nobody is getting morgan fired simply saying trading back on a discount will be on the laundry list of reasons.  Added under the brooks trade/pick etc. 

 

And no matter how talented or deep you think the draft is simply taking a discount on a top 10 pick for more middle round picks is fuging stupid, no matter how you try to slice it.

Well Dan did suffer quite a few concussions....

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Even if it's only a "small variance" as you put it, every time you slide down your rankings order, it lessens the chance on hitting on the pick, even if you still like the players and only a "little bit less" than someone else before them on your list.

So in a draft where it's such a crapshoot, I personally just like the idea of taking your highest ranked player than trading back for multiple "slightly lesser" ranked players because I still think that gives you a better shot of coming away with a bigger impact of a player.

This is one of those things that totally comes down to preference and risk tolerance, but that's just how I'd go about it, regardless of players or positions available.

Yeah I'd rather take the guy that's highest on our board than move down 20 picks to gain a few guys that will just be washouts.  We need quality players.  Use the top 10 pick.

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1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yeah I'd rather take the guy that's highest on our board than move down 20 picks to gain a few guys that will just be washouts.  We need quality players.  Use the top 10 pick.

This.  Not sure why this is so hard to understand.  We need talent not more 3rd round picks or whatever morgan is trying to get.   Trusting this FO to find a diamond in the rough in the middle of the draft is fuging laughable

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16 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

You can find starters, meaningful contributors, all pros, hall of famers in any round and even in the UDFA pool.

College production really means nothing. 

Just recently for example Amon Ra St.Brown was a 4th rounder and has been a 2x all pro. 

Sure, but you realize you're also kinda contradicting yourself by saying college production means nothing and then using Amon Ra as your example, as he absolutely produced on the college level even if looking at raw stats might think he underperformed for someone who would be a future NFL All Pro.

He had 750 yards as a Freshman and then 1,042 and 6y TD's as a Sophomore (and that was on a team with Pittman and London as well).

Then if you're just looking at his stats and see 478 yards as a Junior you think he took a huge step back and didn't produce, but he didn't.  That was the 2020 covid year, where they only played 6 games in what was a weird season, plus he also had 7 TDs in those games, as well as doing it next to London again who forced a split of targets.

I can't say why he fell in the draft to the 4th round, I'd assume it was just because scouts didn't think his game would translate to the NFL, but it certainly wasn't due to a lack of production at the college level.

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This.  Not sure why this is so hard to understand.  We need talent not more 3rd round picks or whatever morgan is trying to get.   Trusting this FO to find a diamond in the rough in the middle of the draft is fuging laughable

They want to trade down, pick a guy. Then they want to trade back up and get their other guy. 

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Sure, but you realize you're also kinda contradicting yourself by saying college production means nothing and then using Amon Ra as your example, as he absolutely produced on the college level even if looking at raw stats might think he underperformed for someone who would be a future NFL All Pro.

He had 750 yards as a Freshman and then 1,042 and 6y TD's as a Sophomore (and that was on a team with Pittman and London as well).

Then if you're just looking at his stats and see 478 yards as a Junior you think he took a huge step back and didn't produce, but he didn't.  That was the 2020 covid year, where they only played 6 games in what was a weird season, plus he also had 7 TDs in those games, as well as doing it next to London again who forced a split of targets.

I can't say why he fell in the draft to the 4th round, I'd assume it was just because scouts didn't think his game would translate to the NFL, but it certainly wasn't due to a lack of production at the college level.

I was just using him as a recent late rounder all pro, his college production was fine however. 

I know the further you get in the draft the lower the chances of hitting get, I was just being a dick. 

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9 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If they are actively calling other teams for trades then the other teams are probably giving up the info

If that’s true then that’s a great way to blow up any kind of deal.  I’d never call them again.  There has to be some expected confidentiality.

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7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This.  Not sure why this is so hard to understand.  We need talent not more 3rd round picks or whatever morgan is trying to get.   Trusting this FO to find a diamond in the rough in the middle of the draft is fuging laughable

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