REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back

[mrcompletely11]

16 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Supply and demand.  If more teams are wanting to trade back than trade up then the value of a trade up drops.  

Then you dont trade if you are not getting equal value all things considered.   Trading back just to trade back seems borderline moronic at this point.

[ClawOn]

Remember the 4th (114) we got from Jerry for *checks notes* Jonathan Mingo?  Imagine if we package that pick to move up and get a franchise changing player.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

We have a lot of late round picks in 4th and 5th. We're not going to find starters or meaningful contributors in those rounds, I hope Dan uses this picks as ammunition to get into 2nd and 3rd rounds to pick guys who will actually contribute. 

This would be really unpopular but its certainly taking advantage of a situation but I would use a late 4rth or def a 5th on Bond.  If it doesnt work so be it no biggie, but if it hits you score a big time player at a drastically reduced price

Edited 7 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Then you dont trade if you are not getting equal value all things considered.   Trading back just to trade back seems borderline moronic at this point.

It's not trading back just to trade back.  Why do you think more teams want to trade back?  There isn't much talent gap after a select few.  We are a team that definitely needs talent.  If we can get two 8.5 players vs one 8.8 then you do it.  JPJ later in the first vs Mykel Williams at 8 isn't much of a drop off for example.  They aren't just doing it to do it.  They are doing it to fill multiple needs.  The difference is in this particular draft is middle heavy so those picks are holding more value than normal.  Come on man I know you understand this and are just wanting to do your whole grumpy persona thing you do on here....

[PootieNunu]

15 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

We have a lot of late round picks in 4th and 5th. We're not going to find starters or meaningful contributors in those rounds, I hope Dan uses this picks as ammunition to get into 2nd and 3rd rounds to pick guys who will actually contribute. 

You can find starters, meaningful contributors, all pros, hall of famers in any round and even in the UDFA pool.

College production really means nothing. 

Just recently for example Amon Ra St.Brown was a 4th rounder and has been a 2x all pro. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

It's not trading back just to trade back.  Why do you think more teams want to trade back?  There isn't much talent gap after a select few.  We are a team that definitely needs talent.  If we can get two 8.5 players vs one 8.8 then you do it.  JPJ later in the first vs Mykel Williams at 8 isn't much of a drop off for example.  They aren't just doing it to do it.  They are doing it to fill multiple needs.  The difference is in this particular draft is middle heavy so those picks are holding more value than normal.  Come on man I know you understand this and are just wanting to do your whole grumpy persona thing you do on here....

My understanding is they’re willing to take a discount to move down in an effort to try to build up their war chest of picks.

 

Going off this part of the initial tweet, that is classic trading back just to trade back, getting less value then you normally would just for the sake of extra picks is monumentally stupid no matter how you have draft grading set up.  Taking a discount for a top 10 pick is classic panthering and just another notch we will point to when Morgan is inevitably poo canned

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

My understanding is they’re willing to take a discount to move down in an effort to try to build up their war chest of picks.

 

Going off this part of the initial tweet, that is classic trading back just to trade back, getting less value then you normally would just for the sake of extra picks is monumentally stupid no matter how you have draft grading set up.  Taking a discount for a top 10 pick is classic panthering and just another notch we will point to when Morgan is inevitably poo canned

This draft is middle heavy with talent.  I need you to understand this.  This makes those middle picks more valuable.  If they are more valuable than normal then you don't get the same return on them as previous years.  So yes they are trying to get more of those picks because we have a lot of needs. 

I've never seen so much overreaction from a simple tweet that may or may not even happen.  Now we are on Morgan getting fired.... lol

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

You can find starters, meaningful contributors, all pros, hall of famers in any round and even in the UDFA pool.

College production really means nothing. 

Just recently for example Amon Ra St.Brown was a 4th rounder and has been a 2x all pro. 

That's silly though.  Statistically the first two rounds have a much higher hit rate than day 3 picks.  Just because you can retire off a scratch off lottery ticket doesn't mean it's feasible as a repeatable process.

[jfra78]

58 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Who keeps telling the media what we’re doing?  Could they maybe stfu?

If they are actively calling other teams for trades then the other teams are probably giving up the info

[PootieNunu]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

That's silly though.  Statistically the first two rounds have a much higher hit rate than day 3 picks.  Just because you can retire off a scratch off lottery ticket doesn't mean it's feasible as a repeatable process.

Great analogy. To that end all draft picks are like scratch offs, just the 1st round are the $50 version where the late rounds are the $2 and $1 tickets. 

Edited 7 hours ago by PootieNunu

[tukafan21]

36 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's all about our big board.  If pick 6-100 have a small variance then you take the more picks.  That's why many teams want to trade back and less are wanting to trade up in this draft.  Obviously if you are sold on one player like you are suggesting you just take him, I just have the feeling we are sold on any of them yet.  They all have some red flags. 

Even if it's only a "small variance" as you put it, every time you slide down your rankings order, it lessens the chance on hitting on the pick, even if you still like the players and only a "little bit less" than someone else before them on your list.

So in a draft where it's such a crapshoot, I personally just like the idea of taking your highest ranked player than trading back for multiple "slightly lesser" ranked players because I still think that gives you a better shot of coming away with a bigger impact of a player.

This is one of those things that totally comes down to preference and risk tolerance, but that's just how I'd go about it, regardless of players or positions available.

[jfra78]

25 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

There must be something we don't know if teams in the top 10 pass on him.

Positional value most likely

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

This draft is middle heavy with talent.  I need you to understand this.  This makes those middle picks more valuable.  If they are more valuable than normal then you don't get the same return on them as previous years.  So yes they are trying to get more of those picks because we have a lot of needs. 

I've never seen so much overreaction from a simple tweet that may or may not even happen.  Now we are on Morgan getting fired.... lol

Jesus dude its not an overreaction its a discussion of said tweet in the opening post.  I even copied the part I was referring to.  And nobody is getting morgan fired simply saying trading back on a discount will be on the laundry list of reasons.  Added under the brooks trade/pick etc. 

 

And no matter how talented or deep you think the draft is simply taking a discount on a top 10 pick for more middle round picks is fuging stupid, no matter how you try to slice it.

[frankw]

Reading this thread It's very easy to see how Scott Fitterer had so many fervent defenders in those early years.