Charlie Campbell (who has correctly predicted Panthers 1st round pick the past 6 years) final mock draft

[DaveThePanther2008]

The 6-foot-2, 245-pounder is too undersized to be a base edge rusher in the NFL, so he will have to be a linebacker who rotates to rush off the edge in the subpackage.

I was watching Locked On Panthers yesterday and M. Kaye from the Charlotte Observer made some pretty good comments on why we shouldn't take Walker. 

1. Is he's undersized to be a full time Edge player. 

2. Rookies don't start for an Evero team

3. You don't take a tweener at 8.

If we take him I hope they define what his role will be. His situation reminds me so much of Jeremy Chinn. It's going to suck if we waste a pick on Walker when we could have had a true edge or DT plus an extra pick. 

[carpanfan96]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

The 6-foot-2, 245-pounder is too undersized to be a base edge rusher in the NFL, so he will have to be a linebacker who rotates to rush off the edge in the subpackage.

I was watching Locked On Panthers yesterday and M. Kaye from the Charlotte Observer made some pretty good comments on why we shouldn't take Walker. 

1. Is he's undersized to be a full time Edge player. 

2. Rookies don't start for an Evero team

3. You don't take a tweener at 8.

If we take him I hope they define what his role will be. His situation reminds me so much of Jeremy Chinn. It's going to suck if we waste a pick on Walker when we could have had a true edge or DT plus an extra pick. 

I don't get the tweener comment, not in today's NFL when Micah Parsons stars for the Cowboys. 

 

Walker is the same weight, 6-1/6-2 compared to Micah at 6-3, plus Walker has longer arms. 

 

Bunch of teams have him rated up where Parsons was pre draft. 

Edited 12 hours ago by carpanfan96

[csx]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

The 6-foot-2, 245-pounder is too undersized to be a base edge rusher in the NFL, so he will have to be a linebacker who rotates to rush off the edge in the subpackage.

I was watching Locked On Panthers yesterday and M. Kaye from the Charlotte Observer made some pretty good comments on why we shouldn't take Walker. 

1. Is he's undersized to be a full time Edge player. 

2. Rookies don't start for an Evero team

3. You don't take a tweener at 8.

If we take him I hope they define what his role will be. His situation reminds me so much of Jeremy Chinn. It's going to suck if we waste a pick on Walker when we could have had a true edge or DT plus an extra pick. 

Evero had 3 rookies who started last year. One was a UDFA. The others mid and late round picks. I never got the impression Kaye pays particularly close attention to the team based on things he says 

[csx]

On a side note in 2022 with Evero  the Broncos first pick was a 2nd round LB that's the same size as Walker. He had 13.5 sacks as a 3-4 OLB last year and was an All Pro.

Nik Bonitto

Edited 8 hours ago by csx

[Waldo]

7 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

The 6-foot-2, 245-pounder is too undersized to be a base edge rusher in the NFL, so he will have to be a linebacker who rotates to rush off the edge in the subpackage.

I was watching Locked On Panthers yesterday and M. Kaye from the Charlotte Observer made some pretty good comments on why we shouldn't take Walker. 

1. Is he's undersized to be a full time Edge player. 

2. Rookies don't start for an Evero team

3. You don't take a tweener at 8.

If we take him I hope they define what his role will be. His situation reminds me so much of Jeremy Chinn. It's going to suck if we waste a pick on Walker when we could have had a true edge or DT plus an extra pick. 

If Evero doesn't start a rookie he may not make it the year...

I want a true edge. Ez all day please

[CRA]

4 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

I don't get the tweener comment, not in today's NFL when Micah Parsons stars for the Cowboys. 

 

Walker is the same weight, 6-1/6-2 compared to Micah at 6-3, plus Walker has longer arms. 

 

Bunch of teams have him rated up where Parsons was pre draft. 

he is undersized to be a base player.  it's also something recently talked about in terms of Micah.  I mean, just look at Micah matched up vs some of the bigger tackles in the league.  

Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Chuck Pagano made an appearance on The33rd Team recently, and revealed that the Arizona Cardinals may have created the blueprint as to how to beat Dallas.

"Run at Micah Parsons!" said Pagano. "They came up with a blueprint and damn did they run at his a**, and they put big bodies on him...he's a smaller guy (than some defensive ends)," said Pagano. "You get a tight end and a tackle and doubling him ... I think Dallas is going to have some issues.''

In their stunning 28-16 victory over the Cowboys, Arizona ended up rushing for 222 yards on 7.4 yards per carry, with two touchdowns. James Conner did a bulk of the damage, as he alone accounted for 14 carries for 98 yards and a score, on seven yards per carry. 

[CPcavedweller]

16 hours ago, CRA said:

I agree with a lot of this.   Lot of that front 7 D talent on this draft is pretty comparable.   Top of this draft IMO is actually really weak there.   It’s why I never took Jeanty and Warren off my board despite the fact they in theory should be off.  

I mean, we are going to draft a pass rusher in the top 10 whose career season high was 5 sacks?  That doesn’t make it move.  Not even a little. 

No it doesn't. But, it is what it is. I was born in the early 90's so I grew up with the Panthers. I've grown to expect disappointment in who they pick. Times it worked out were with Star, KK, and Luke. I was fine with Cam but obviously at the time, no one knew really what to expect of how his game would translate. 

Anyone who watches college football has seen Georgia play because they are on, all the time. As an App State fan, I can say that in a vacuum, I was probably as impressed with Mike Green and Josiah Stewart, as well as Nate Johnson (who just transferred from App to Mizzou), as I was Georgia's ends. They are physical freaks as you'd expect, but the results just don't align with their measureables and who they were playing next to. 

Give me Warren, take a DT in the 2nd, Josiah Stewart in the third, Restrepo or Skattebo in the 4th. Then maybe take another flyer on a DT later and another pass rusher in the 6th. 

We can't give up what we gave up for Bryce and not at least give him a tight end. I will die on that hill that Warren should be the pick, even though I know he won't be. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

No it doesn't. But, it is what it is. I was born in the early 90's so I grew up with the Panthers. I've grown to expect disappointment in who they pick. Times it worked out were with Star, KK, and Luke. I was fine with Cam but obviously at the time, no one knew really what to expect of how his game would translate. 

Anyone who watches college football has seen Georgia play because they are on, all the time. As an App State fan, I can say that in a vacuum, I was probably as impressed with Mike Green and Josiah Stewart, as well as Nate Johnson (who just transferred from App to Mizzou), as I was Georgia's ends. They are physical freaks as you'd expect, but the results just don't align with their measureables and who they were playing next to. 

Give me Warren, take a DT in the 2nd, Josiah Stewart in the third, Restrepo or Skattebo in the 4th. Then maybe take another flyer on a DT later and another pass rusher in the 6th. 

We can't give up what we gave up for Bryce and not at least give him a tight end. I will die on that hill that Warren should be the pick, even though I know he won't be. 

I'm team Warren too.   I accepted the Bryce pick, I can't accept not giving him players out of the backfield and over the middle to get it out quick too.  I've been talking about those points since we drafted him.  Creating an offense around old slow AT basically the polar opposite of how I would build a Bryce Young O. 

The definition of the Tepper era is random parts put together and it's supposed to somehow work.  I still just see random parts and no real vision on O. If we wanted Bryce (an anomaly), you have to cater to how he plays.  Not just saying, well if he was good enough, he could make it work in anything.  If you asked young Cam to play like Tom Brady and gave him older Brady weapons (small quick game players)......Cam's career would have ended quick.    Cam was an anomoly.  Bryce is.   Just different ends of the spectrum.  You got to cater to their style of play. 

[CPcavedweller]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm team Warren too.   I accepted the Bryce pick, I can't accept not giving him players out of the backfield and over the middle to get it out quick too.  I've been talking about those points since we drafted him.  Creating an offense around old slow AT basically the polar opposite of how I would build a Bryce Young O. 

The definition of the Tepper era is random parts put together and it's supposed to somehow work.  I still just see random parts and no real vision on O. If we wanted Bryce (an anomaly), you have to cater to how he plays.  Not just saying, well if he was good enough, he could make it work in anything.  If you asked young Cam to play like Tom Brady and gave him older Brady weapons (small quick game players)......Cam's career would have ended quick.    Cam was an anomoly.  Bryce is.   Just different ends of the spectrum.  You got to cater to their style of play. 

Right. Giving him the Kelci like tight end to scheme on the fly with, while also drafting the smaller, jet speed receiver as the Dolphins have done, would make this offense very difficult to stop in my opinion.

If five touchdown Bryce was not an anomaly, he can be really good, and the offense can be really efficient. I just don't want Tommy Tremble's menial contract to be given as a reason why you wouldn't take Warren. He is different from Bowers in his build. He's not quite as fluid but Bowers is built more like an H Back than a Tight End. He is different from LaPorta and Kincaid in that he is far more fluid of an athlete.

Again, I will die on this hill, but he is Kelci. He was a high school quarterback, he can run, he can throw, and he knows soft spots of the defense, as does Bryce at this point. 

We aren't taking him though, and this will be my last comment on it. Glad I found someone like minded on this. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Right. Giving him the Kelci like tight end to scheme on the fly with, while also drafting the smaller, jet speed receiver as the Dolphins have done, would make this offense very difficult to stop in my opinion.

If five touchdown Bryce was not an anomaly, he can be really good, and the offense can be really efficient. I just don't want Tommy Tremble's menial contract to be given as a reason why you wouldn't take Warren. He is different from Bowers in his build. He's not quite as fluid but Bowers is built more like an H Back than a Tight End. He is different from LaPorta and Kincaid in that he is far more fluid of an athlete.

Again, I will die on this hill, but he is Kelci. He was a high school quarterback, he can run, he can throw, and he knows soft spots of the defense, as does Bryce at this point. 

We aren't taking him though, and this will be my last comment on it. Glad I found someone like minded on this. 

Walker seems 100% to be the pick.  I have accepted that.  I dislike it though.  

I don't think putting an undersized guy on the edge of our D......is the right move w/ a top 10 pick for the 32nd ranked run D.  I think he will be situational pass rusher that doesn't wow at that.  That's not what I want from a top 10 pick. 

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Walker seems 100% to be the pick.  I have accepted that.  I dislike it though.  

I don't think putting an undersized guy on the edge of our D......is the right move w/ a top 10 pick for the 32nd ranked run D.  I think he will be situational pass rusher that doesn't wow at that.  That's not what I want from a top 10 pick. 

We are also tormented by Everett Brown and other tweener picks. You don’t take a tweener in the Top 10.