I kinda hate getting our pick spoiled but at least the Huddle has more Time to debate

[PleaseCutStewart]

25 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Your username is a hint of how bad you are at this. That aside.

Who is saying we need a Top 10 player at every position? Most of us are just saying Warren because he would give us that big, physical, fluid athlete at the TE position that would pair well with the style of ball Bryce likes to play.

The issue isn't whether you have good tight ends or not. Plenty of guys are good at the position. Most of them are not as fluid of athletes as you see with Kelci, and I think Warren is that kind of guy. Furthermore, it could open the field up for the rest of the offense. 

I swear if I see one more idiot that posts something like this and doesn't check what year I joined this forum... He literally averaged less than 3.5 ypc the year I created this profile and had some really bad fumbles that cost us games. Yet... this organization thought it was a better idea to keep giving him the rock than give CMC more touches his rookie year. Pretty sure everyone on this forum with half a brain cell knew he was washed... Sorry, everyone except you.

You said we need (what I presume to be) an elite TE if you want us taking Warren at eight to address "Bryce's glaring needs". We just invested about 150 million in the oline and he had one of the best olines last year. It isn't really realistic we keep spending every dollar we have and every high draft pick we have on offense while our defense continues to set records for futility. If we trade down and take Warren in the 20s, I can live with it. Using a top 8 pick on a guy I have a late 1st round grade on while doubly not drafting at a position of need is the kind of crap I expect our front office to do sadly.

And you say Kelce, Olsen, and Witten aren't getting open on athleticism yet fail to mention that all 3 of them are/were elite route runners t. Warren's route running is not great (as of right now) and is something he is going to have to work a ton on. Those 3 dudes also got drafted nowhere near #8, which really argues my point of you can find good tight ends in later rounds. This draft is very deep at tight end.

At the end of the day, I think Warren is closer in current ability to tight ends along the line of Kincaid, LaPorta, Freiermuth, Hunter Henry, etc. than he is Bowers, Pitts (up this high because of freakish athleticism), and Tony Gonzalez. Those 3 justifiably should have been top 10 picks in the draft.

[CPcavedweller]

10 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I swear if I see one more idiot that posts something like this and doesn't check what year I joined this forum... He literally averaged less than 3.5 ypc the year I created this profile and had some really bad fumbles that cost us games. Yet... this organization thought it was a better idea to keep giving him the rock than give CMC more touches his rookie year. Pretty sure everyone on this forum with half a brain cell knew he was washed... Sorry, everyone except you.

You said we need (what I presume to be) an elite TE if you want us taking Warren at eight to address "Bryce's glaring needs". We just invested about 150 million in the oline and he had one of the best olines last year. It isn't really realistic we keep spending every dollar we have and every high draft pick we have on offense while our defense continues to set records for futility. If we trade down and take Warren in the 20s, I can live with it. Using a top 8 pick on a guy I have a late 1st round grade on while doubly not drafting at a position of need is the kind of crap I expect our front office to do sadly.

And you say Kelce, Olsen, and Witten aren't getting open on athleticism yet fail to mention that all 3 of them are/were elite route runners t. Warren's route running is not great (as of right now) and is something he is going to have to work a ton on. Those 3 dudes also got drafted nowhere near #8, which really argues my point of you can find good tight ends in later rounds. This draft is very deep at tight end.

At the end of the day, I think Warren is closer in current ability to tight ends along the line of Kincaid, LaPorta, Freiermuth, Hunter Henry, etc. than he is Bowers, Pitts (up this high because of freakish athleticism), and Tony Gonzalez. Those 3 justifiably should have been top 10 picks in the draft.

So you're comparing Sam LaPorta to Hunter Henry and Freiermuth? 

I watched enough of Penn State to know that Warren is closer to Kelci in terms of fluid movement than any of them. That is why he is rated as highly as he is. Give the mini-Mahomes his Kelci. 

If we had listened to me in 2023 none of this would be necessary but here we are. 

[CPcavedweller]

11 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I swear if I see one more idiot that posts something like this and doesn't check what year I joined this forum... He literally averaged less than 3.5 ypc the year I created this profile and had some really bad fumbles that cost us games. Yet... this organization thought it was a better idea to keep giving him the rock than give CMC more touches his rookie year. Pretty sure everyone on this forum with half a brain cell knew he was washed... Sorry, everyone except you.

You said we need (what I presume to be) an elite TE if you want us taking Warren at eight to address "Bryce's glaring needs". We just invested about 150 million in the oline and he had one of the best olines last year. It isn't really realistic we keep spending every dollar we have and every high draft pick we have on offense while our defense continues to set records for futility. If we trade down and take Warren in the 20s, I can live with it. Using a top 8 pick on a guy I have a late 1st round grade on while doubly not drafting at a position of need is the kind of crap I expect our front office to do sadly.

And you say Kelce, Olsen, and Witten aren't getting open on athleticism yet fail to mention that all 3 of them are/were elite route runners t. Warren's route running is not great (as of right now) and is something he is going to have to work a ton on. Those 3 dudes also got drafted nowhere near #8, which really argues my point of you can find good tight ends in later rounds. This draft is very deep at tight end.

At the end of the day, I think Warren is closer in current ability to tight ends along the line of Kincaid, LaPorta, Freiermuth, Hunter Henry, etc. than he is Bowers, Pitts (up this high because of freakish athleticism), and Tony Gonzalez. Those 3 justifiably should have been top 10 picks in the draft.

Also, Stew is GOAT. So GTFO with that. 

[CRA]

8 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

At some point, we need to stop saying "if only we had X player for Bryce Young". We drafted him number 1 overall - he shouldn't need a top 10 player at every position on offense. If he does, then he isn't the guy

And if we are convinced for some reason we do need a tight end for Bryce, I want one that can stretch the field vertically down the seam. That is definitely not Warren

I'm not saying he needs top 10 at every spot.  At any spot.   I'm merely saying he needs a pass catcher out of the backfield and slot/TE play with YAC ability.    Been saying it since the moment drafted Bryce.   

my main gripe of the Panthers under Dave is lack of a vision.  It's the random parts approach.   Somehow be good despite little going together.   We need some small ball players. 

 

[PleaseCutStewart]

9 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

So you're comparing Sam LaPorta to Hunter Henry and Freiermuth? 

I watched enough of Penn State to know that Warren is closer to Kelci in terms of fluid movement than any of them. That is why he is rated as highly as he is. Give the mini-Mahomes his Kelci. 

If we had listened to me in 2023 none of this would be necessary but here we are. 

The way they looked pre draft, yes. Some are hits, some are not. But yes, they all displayed similar talent levels.

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I'm not saying he needs top 10 at every spot.  At any spot.   I'm merely saying he needs a pass catcher out of the backfield and slot/TE play with YAC ability.    Been saying it since the moment drafted Bryce.   

my main gripe of the Panthers under Dave is lack of a vision.  It's the random parts approach.   Somehow be good despite little going together.   We need some small ball players. 

 

If we are looking for yac ability, then go for somebody like Jaylin Noel outta Iowa State in the 2nd. He gives me zay flower vibes and has produced throughout college.

Won't argue about lack of vision. Unfortunately fitterer was a dumb ass and left this team void if talent when he got fired.