I kinda hate getting our pick spoiled but at least the Huddle has more Time to debate

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Walker is my dude

I want him bad as well

[PNW_PantherMan]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce wasn't even cracking an average of 200 yards per game in regulation to close out the year.  We were 30th in passing yards on the season.  

He made great strides vs his rookie year.  Glaring change.  But that was glaring simply because of how historically bad his rookie year was.  We are still a bad passing offense.  2024 was a bad passing O.   

I'm not buying whatever stat twisting was done to come up w/ Bryce was one of the best deep passers in the league. 

I still think it's simple.  You want Bryce to succeed? You need pass catchers out of the backfield.   You need slot/TE play.  You need YAC.  You need him to be what you drafted him to be.  We were way below average in terms of production out of the backfield.  We were way below average in terms of YAC.   Dreaming up we can somehow make Bryce some chunk play passer downfield is not something worth bothering with. 

Trade him if you don't want build around the dude you mortgaged our future on.  Keep him and play to his strengths.  I don't care which one.  But pick.  I give them a pass going into last year of thing conflicting.   Now you got to pick IMO. 

I agree but it's not happening.  Bryce will have to build on the good from last year, or he will be gone.  I really doubt Dan and Dave get the boot for that unless this next year is like 1-16 bad.  They're not going to reinvent the offense for him, as they haven't done that since he was drafted.  As dumb as it is, it's what's happening. 

I agree with your sentiment that we need more short yardage pass catching talent, but I don't think that justifies taking a TE in the top 10.

[CarolinaReaper]

5 hours ago, rayzor said:

i think someone who is guessing will be right about the pick and will run victory laps about it for years "remember i was right that one time! NO ONE LISTENED TO ME!!!!!! but i'm smarter than all of you. y'all should listen to me now"

Two things will happen draft night, Ward will not be the 1st pick and Warren will be a panther

[Joe Bear]

Drafting Mykel Williams with the eighth pick would be the football version of drafting MKG after Anthony Davis: right team, wrong player. 

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It took olsen 2 teams and 6 years to figure it out.  Thats just the normal curve it seems for te in the nfl

You are right, but as of late there has been more rookie TEs making immediate impact on teams. McBride, Laporta, Kincaid and obv Bowers. 

My true opinion is the team has so many holes they can go multiple directions including Safety. So it just comes down to out of all the talent in the draft who will make the immediate impact. Wr? TE? LB? 

[ForJimmy]

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce wasn't even cracking an average of 200 yards per game in regulation to close out the year.  We were 30th in passing yards on the season.  

He made great strides vs his rookie year.  Glaring change.  But that was glaring simply because of how historically bad his rookie year was.  We are still a bad passing offense.  2024 was a bad passing O.   

I'm not buying whatever stat twisting was done to come up w/ Bryce was one of the best deep passers in the league. 

I still think it's simple.  You want Bryce to succeed? You need pass catchers out of the backfield.   You need slot/TE play.  You need YAC.  You need him to be what you drafted him to be.  We were way below average in terms of production out of the backfield.  We were way below average in terms of YAC.   Dreaming up we can somehow make Bryce some chunk play passer downfield is not something worth bothering with. 

Trade him if you don't want build around the dude you mortgaged our future on.  Keep him and play to his strengths.  I don't care which one.  But pick.  I give them a pass going into last year of things conflicting.   Now you got to pick IMO. 

No one is arguing where we were on the season.  After the benching Bryce was one of the top deep ball passers in the league.  It's a skillset he has just shown he is capable of doing.  I believe he led the league in week 12 and was one of the top ones for that final quarter.  Dance around the topic and argue the stats all you want, I'm just going by what I saw on TV and read about.  

https://x.com/PattonAnalytics/status/1877044086709854343

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep

Hey it surprised me as well, but I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and try to ignore what is clearly right in front of me.  People have a hard time admitting their original thought may have been wrong.  That's just the world we live in.  We will see if Young can keep it up next year or not, but signs are point to DC running his offense regardless of who is QB.  

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Warren had more offensive production last season than both Pitts and Hockenson had in their entire college careers.  I mean, it's not weird that after THAT dominant of a season, all eyes are on Warren.  

The other guy you mentioned, was the best TE in the NFL last year.  

I don't care about offensive production for a team that literally only threw to him and the running back. I care about what I see on film:   Dude cannot separate on his own against talented LBs/S and had to be schemed open; his route running is below average; while pretty athletic, he doesn't have elite athleticism or speed; his blocking form has quite a few red flags (dude should be a dominant run blocker for his size). He was talented enough to get open in college against a slower LB/S; that won't be the case in the NFL. Not to mention, the dude pretty much was nonexistent until this year for Penn St. If I am drafting a TE in the top 10, choosing a 5th year senior that didn't do anything until his last season should be pretty alarming.

Not saying he is going to be a bad player - I think he will be a solid short/intermediate possession TE in the NFL. I just don't understand the logic of taking him top 10

Edited 4 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I don't care about offensive production for a team that literally only threw to him and the running back. I care about what I see on film:   Dude cannot separate on his own against talented LBs/S and had to be schemed open; his route running is below average; while pretty athletic, he doesn't have elite athleticism or speed; his blocking form has quite a few red flags (dude should be a dominant run blocker for his size). He was talented enough to get open in college against a slower LB/S; that won't be the case in the NFL. Not to mention, the dude pretty much was nonexistent until this year for Penn St. If I am drafting a TE in the top 10, choosing a 5th year senior that didn't do anything until his last season should be pretty alarming.

Not saying he is going to be a bad player - I think he will be a solid short/intermediate possession TE in the NFL. I just don't understand the logic of taking him top 10

Honestly Loveland might be the better prospect of the two depending on who you ask.  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

There's not much of a separation between the two, true, but both are solidly first rounders.  In the second round we would be looking at TE3 at best and even that's a stretch since we are picking 25th with the Rams original draft spot.  TE4 is Fannin Jr. and his game is very similar to a guy we already have in Sanders.  Yes, Fannin Jr.'s numbers were insane, but he ran up the numbers playing some really, REALLY bad teams in the MAC as Bowling Green's #1 receiving target.  Needless to say, he wouldn't have gotten those type of numbers playing in the SEC or Big 10 and NFL defenders are better than guys he played in the MAC.

 

Most of Taylor, Arroyo, Ferguson, and Helm are all TEs that should be there in the 3rd/4th that can be solid NFLers IMO. Sure, they aren't as good as Warren/Loveland and most of them are subpar run blockers, but I would much rather have our top pick for defense (whoever we feel that is) over a TE. If Bowers was in this draft, I would have been all over it at 8. There just aren't many TE prospects like Bowers that warrant being picked in the top 10 - last one I can think of is Tony Gonzalez (Kyle Pitts managed to get there because of his freakish athleticism)

Edited 3 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Honestly Loveland might be the better prospect of the two depending on who you ask.  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Loveland's draft stock got hurt by the terrible QB room for Michigan last year. He looked really good with a QB that knew how to throw the ball forward the previous season.

[carpanfan96]

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Honestly Loveland might be the better prospect of the two depending on who you ask.  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Was talking about this earlier, lot of teams have Loveland rated ahead of Warren. I wouldn't be surprised if Warren fell and Loveland was drafted before him. 

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, rayzor said:

i think someone who is guessing will be right about the pick and will run victory laps about it for years "remember i was right that one time! NO ONE LISTENED TO ME!!!!!! but i'm smarter than all of you. y'all should listen to me now"

That is why I predict every player in the top 50.  I then save the post where I was right, and gloat to others who then admire me for my wisdom because they forgot that i was wrong 98 percent of the time.  I share this because i am counting on Huddlers' inability to remember stuff.  If they do remember, I call them petty--I mean, I do not keep up with what others say so I could use it against them later--that would be petty. 

[ForJimmy]

28 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Was talking about this earlier, lot of teams have Loveland rated ahead of Warren. I wouldn't be surprised if Warren fell and Loveland was drafted before him. 

It kind of makes it harder to draft one in the top 10.  I wonder if some teams will wait for one to fall before trying to get the other one.  This is assuming they have them ranked closely.  

[pantherclaw]

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Huh?  You must be conflating mock drafts and player ratings.  Almost every site I look at for player ratings absolutely have Warren as a top 10 prospect.  Due to the nature of TEs being a niche need, most MOCKS have him being drafted outside of the top 10.

That's funny... only 1 out of at least half a dozen even had him sniffing the top 10. 

 Enjoy your perspective as skewed as it is.