I kinda hate getting our pick spoiled but at least the Huddle has more Time to debate

[chknwing]

if the raiders dont take Jeanty, Carolina is almost cetrain to trade down with the cowboys and williams will be available at 12 and take Landon Jackson with the cowboys pick #44.  Doubling down on Edge rushers, with the middle of the defense addressed in free agency, Carolina will have a stout defense.

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

^This.  The only blue chip likely left when we pick at #8.  If we pass him up, then BPA is a complete farce. I don't want to hear/read crap from our front office about "we took the best player available at #8."

How is he the only blue chip player when he's not even rated in the top 10 players in the draft? 

 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

i think someone who is guessing will be right about the pick and will run victory laps about it for years "remember i was right that one time! NO ONE LISTENED TO ME!!!!!! but i'm smarter than all of you. y'all should listen to me now"

I'm that guy. I've been that guy. It's a fun crown to wear while running around like a fool.

Beats running around like a fool, crownless, like I do most of the time.

 

[CRA]

Just now, Khyber53 said:

I'm that guy. I've been that guy. It's a fun crown to wear while running around like a fool.

Beats running around like a fool, crownless, like I do most of the time.

 

I was right about Luke Kuechly.  Not just the pick but bring right on the player he would be.  Same for Cam.  Which voids all my wrong 439402 picks and player projections that were disasters.  Some people don't get that.   It's just math.  2 > 439402

 

[45catfan]

30 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

How is he the only blue chip player when he's not even rated in the top 10 players in the draft? 

 

Huh?  You must be conflating mock drafts and player ratings.  Almost every site I look at for player ratings absolutely have Warren as a top 10 prospect.  Due to the nature of TEs being a niche need, most MOCKS have him being drafted outside of the top 10.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, chknwing said:

if the raiders dont take Jeanty, Carolina is almost cetrain to trade down with the cowboys and williams will be available at 12 and take Landon Jackson with the cowboys pick #44.  Doubling down on Edge rushers, with the middle of the defense addressed in free agency, Carolina will have a stout defense.

why wouldnt the cowboys simply wait for him at 12?  You think the bears are targeting him?

[chknwing]

51 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

why wouldnt the cowboys simply wait for him at 12?  You think the bears are targeting him?

could be or broncos could move ahead to take him,  hell, I would like carolina to take him but they wont.   Jeanty is being seen as a generational talent at RB.

[Byrdman4real]

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

It isn’t hard to project. Take Warren, Dan. This isn’t hard. The defensive picks on the line are talented deep into the third round this year. There are two elite tight end prospects. 
 

Take Warren. 

This

He is the only sure thing that could be available at 8 and could be BPA.

It's a no brainer

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats how GMs get fired.  Sure Bowers is the anomaly but the history of first round TE's is fuging brutal at best.  Now you want to pick one in the top 10?  Oof.  You want to play with fire, go ahead and be my guest but dont go crying when your ass is fired morgan.

 

But all you guys pining for Warren need to realize its not going to happen, even morgan isnt that stupid and it shows by the lack of top 30 visit.

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tight-ends-first-round/

Yeah, it's weird all of the love Tyler Warren is getting. Dude is nowhere near as talented as Bowers, Pitts, or Hockenson were in college. Nothing on his tapes screams "wow". He is a late 1st round talent at best and we would be stupid to draft him at 8

Edit: Not to mention this draft class is deep at TE. Honestly, I don't see much separating Warren from Loveland

Edited 4 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[t96]

4 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

It isn’t hard to project. Take Warren, Dan. This isn’t hard. The defensive picks on the line are talented deep into the third round this year. There are two elite tight end prospects. 
 

Take Warren. 

I've been out to lunch on this draft cycle but I love the idea of an elite tight end prospect. They really can change an offense and have an extraordinary impact. I like Sanders and think he could still develop into a legit above average starter but it absolutely would not hurt to have 2 really good TEs

[Bear Hands]

2 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Yeah, it's weird all of the love Tyler Warren is getting. Dude is nowhere near as talented as Bowers, Pitts, or Hockenson were in college. Nothing on his tapes screams "wow". He is a late 1st round talent at best and we would be stupid to draft him at 8

He has the HS running back problem. Penn State entirely centered their offense around him and half of his touches were very targeted, designed plays in that lame offense that’s held Allar back. 

I don’t necessarily see the “wow” with him as a receiver or blocker. If he has a traditional TE volume, I don’t see what separates him from a Tucker Kraft or Sam LaPorta as a prospect. He just got massive volume that it almost distorts his baseline skills. In a perfect world, you get a Jason Witten-esque guy (but that’s the high bar)

That being said, he’s still a 1st/high end TE talent, but it’s not this ultimate blue chip some are making him out to be. I just don’t see how someone can place him in that tier but somehow Jeanty will fall out of the top 10. We will see come Thursday…

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

why wouldnt the cowboys simply wait for him at 12?  You think the bears are targeting him?

The Bears are going offense.  The only thing that could make the Cowboys jump is if Jeanty goes to the Raiders at #6 and rumors start to float about the Bears taking Hampton.  I heard while the Cowboys would love to land Jeanty, they aren't moving up for him and obviously don't expect him to fall to #12, so their target is Hampton.

[PNW_PantherMan]

10 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

He has the HS running back problem. Penn State entirely centered their offense around him and half of his touches were very targeted, designed plays in that lame offense that’s held Allar back. 

I don’t necessarily see the “wow” with him as a receiver or blocker. If he has a traditional TE volume, I don’t see what separates him from a Tucker Kraft or Sam LaPorta as a prospect. He just got massive volume that it almost distorts his baseline skills. In a perfect world, you get a Jason Witten-esque guy (but that’s the high bar)

That being said, he’s still a 1st/high end TE talent, but it’s not this ultimate blue chip some are making him out to be. I just don’t see how someone can place him in that tier but somehow Jeanty will fall out of the top 10. We will see come Thursday…

Bolded part is the only thing I'd take issue with.  I have not been impressed with Allar as an NFL prospect.

I watched a fair amount of Penn St games last year, and my thoughts were Warren is mostly feasting on easy stuff that's not going to work regularly in the NFL.  He is a good football player, but I don't see generational ability.

Edited 4 hours ago by PNW_PantherMan

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Yeah, it's weird all of the love Tyler Warren is getting. Dude is nowhere near as talented as Bowers, Pitts, or Hockenson were in college. Nothing on his tapes screams "wow". He is a late 1st round talent at best and we would be stupid to draft him at 8

Edit: Not to mention this draft class is deep at TE. Honestly, I don't see much separating Warren from Loveland

Warren had more offensive production last season than both Pitts and Hockenson had in their entire college careers.  I mean, it's not weird that after THAT dominant of a season, all eyes are on Warren.  

The other guy you mentioned, was the best TE in the NFL last year.