Cam Newton: Self-proclaimed entertainer, icon

[Mr. Scot]

Your statement was that Cam Newton is not an icon. That has been refuted. Accept that rather than deflect it.

Your bias has made me not like your posts at all lately which sucks because I used to come to the Huddle specifically to read what you had to say. It's not that I mind that we disagree on something it is much more that it seems to me like you have let your bias degrade your usual stellar posting and analysis into petty agenda pushing and tearing down this kid from Auburn.

I'm not saying Newton isn't an icon at Auburn. I'm saying I don't care.

And what exactly is "my bias"?

Do you even see what you are doing here? Maybe you should take some time off of posting in Newton threads. Now you are trying to infer that Newton is Clausen.

That isn't what you are stating but it is what you are trying to get people to think whether you realize it or not.

Seriously? :rolleyes:

Newton is not Clausen. Neither is he Elway, Roethlisberger or Vick (despite what Teeray would tell you). The point wasn't to suggest that Newton was Clausen, but to point out that I winced when I heard some of the stuff Clausen said before ever taking an NFL snap.

My opinion on Newton is that he isn't worth taking at number one. People can choose to agree with it or not. I don't really care. I don't come here looking for followers or aggrandizement. I come here because I enjoy discussing football.

But I guess I shouldn't be allowed to talk about misgivings regarding Cam Newton, right?

[MHS831]

Again don't folks get the benefit of the doubt. What did he actually say. It is nothing until it is proven to be otherwise. I think that he didn't say he was an icon simply that he wanted to be one one day. Prove otherwise.

They do. I have no more info than I posted. It was covered in PFT, which is where I got the link. It could be taken out of context, I will give you that. It simply pours salt on sensitive issues about him. He could have been joking, or referring to the Auburn campus, but there is no indication that he was.

I am not against his talent. I am concerned that his actions and the image problems they caused and are causing are not reflected in statements to the press. I would love to have heard, "I will have to work hard to become the player I want to be..." that sort of thing.

Oh, and his words were in present tense. Future tense would indicate what you suggest. Does that prove anything?

[CatMan72]

I don't see haters here, I see practical people who know what a mistake drafting a QB first overall with so many character concerns can be. Nothing against him-he could be great. But where were you all Cam fans a month ago? He hasn't played a down since then, but only lately have you all emerged. What happened?

You all might be right. He could be great. But if you are wrong and we draft him, this franchise will pay dearly for the next 5 years. I am not interested in seeing someone who seems to break all the rules without consequence succeed. It is called character, and if you are an entertainer and an Icon, there are those of us who want to see character in our entertainer and Icons. Newton will never be my icon, I promise you that.

Do you consider yourself a person of good character? have you ever done anything bad?

I consider myself a good person, of high character and I've done plenty of stuff I'm not proud of.

[Guild]

I'm not saying Newton isn't an icon at Auburn. I'm saying I don't care.

And what exactly is "my bias"?

It seems to me your bias is against drafting Cam Newton to the point where you are attempting to make it seem like he is equivalent to any and every unsuccessful (I was going to say bad but I'm not sure that is the right term) quarterback that you can find any possible correlation to.

Ugh... nicotine withdrawal is making my head foggy.

[panthers55]

I don't see haters here, I see practical people who know what a mistake drafting a QB first overall with so many character concerns can be. Nothing against him-he could be great. But where were you all Cam fans a month ago? He hasn't played a down since then, but only lately have you all emerged. What happened?

You all might be right. He could be great. But if you are wrong and we draft him, this franchise will pay dearly for the next 5 years. I am not interested in seeing someone who seems to break all the rules without consequence succeed. It is called character, and if you are an entertainer and an Icon, there are those of us who want to see character in our entertainer and Icons. Newton will never be my icon, I promise you that.

Full of hyperbole as well I see. If we draft him number 1 we will have researched his character and were confident that it wasn't that problematic.

We won't be set back 5 years anymore than we were when we didn't have a first rounder in 2010 and the fact that Brown hasn't been a factor for the past 2 years. That kind of thinking keeps reasonable people from taking calculated risks fearing disasterous results out of proportion to reality.

Coming back from his issues at Florida and rising to the top at Auburn already shows a strength and character that transcends most football players like Clausen who were born with a silver spoon.

[MHS831]

Hello I'm sharing my opinion just like you.

That was my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. You can also try to bait me into making an ass of myself or having some sort of internet pissing contest. fug, if I'm wrong then oh well but that's how I felt about the statement and decided to comment.

And now my opinion is that you are a herp derp. I'm sure you feel likewise.

Why not state your opinion without going after other's opinions and the people behind them? Is everyone supposed to agree with you? You attacked my background without knowing it because I made a statement that required interpretational decoding. Are you surprised that you feel attacked now?

[Mr. Scot]

I don't see haters here, I see practical people who know what a mistake drafting a QB first overall with so many character concerns can be. Nothing against him-he could be great. But where were you all Cam fans a month ago? He hasn't played a down since then, but only lately have you all emerged. What happened?

You all might be right. He could be great. But if you are wrong and we draft him, this franchise will pay dearly for the next 5 years. I am not interested in seeing someone who seems to break all the rules without consequence succeed. It is called character, and if you are an entertainer and an Icon, there are those of us who want to see character in our entertainer and Icons. Newton will never be my icon, I promise you that.

You're not allowed to have questions about Newton. If you do, you must have something in your character that's making you do it. At least that's what I keep seeing from the Newton bandwagon.

Call me crazy, but I don't really see any difference between that and the tactics KT uses in these arguments.

[Guild]

Why not state your opinion without going after other's opinions and the people behind them? Is everyone supposed to agree with you? You attacked my background without knowing it because I made a statement that required interpretational decoding. Are you surprised that you feel attacked now?

Hmmm you have a point and I agree. I'll just blame the nicotine withdrawal and my general assholishness being amplified by that.

[panthers55]

They do. I have no more info than I posted. It was covered in PFT, which is where I got the link. It could be taken out of context, I will give you that. It simply pours salt on sensitive issues about him. He could have been joking, or referring to the Auburn campus, but there is no indication that he was.

I am not against his talent. I am concerned that his actions and the image problems they caused and are causing are not reflected in statements to the press. I would love to have heard, "I will have to work hard to become the player I want to be..." that sort of thing.

Oh, and his words were in present tense. Future tense would indicate what you suggest. Does that prove anything?

You of all people should know that words are cheap and people tell you what you want to hear. Why not read some articles about his actions on the field, discussions with his coaches, fellow teammates. How about Whitfield who is working with him right now in the present. All accounts suggest that he does work work very hard, is a born leader and wants to be the best at his craft.

Seems to me he is doing everything right in the world of actions and behaviors. But lets ignore all that and focus on a tweet by Peter King ignoring the rest.

So the evidence is clear, do you really suggest he is not a hard worker or doesn't want to be the best at his craft?? Do you have any evidence to support this? I can quickly give you 10 articles which counter that.

[Guild]

You're not allowed to have questions about Newton. If you do, you must have something in your character that's making you do it. At least that's what I keep seeing from the Newton bandwagon.

Call me crazy, but I don't really see any difference between that and the tactics KT uses in these arguments.

I seem incapable of proper communication so let me just finish my posting for the next long while by saying that lately when I see a Mr. Scot post it is not the same kind of post I saw six months ago that I looked forward to seeing (whether I agreed or disagreed) and I really hate it.

[MHS831]

Full of hyperbole as well I see. If we draft him number 1 we will have researched his character and were confident that it wasn't that problematic.

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Hyperbole? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1540370

Many more articles like this one address the risk of the first round QB bust.

If we need to research his character to make sure it is not problematic (I agree 100%), why are so many people calling for us to draft him now? Should they not be saying, "We need to investigate these character concerns, and look for tells in the comments he makes to the press"? That is my only point.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Yeah Jimmy Clausen blandly tweeting about mowing the lawn and unclogging his toilet and falling in love with fake twitter accounts have made him a better player and leader on the field.

[Mr. Scot]

I seem incapable of proper communication so let me just finish my posting for the next long while by saying that lately when I see a Mr. Scot post it is not the same kind of post I saw six months ago that I looked forward to seeing (whether I agreed or disagreed) and I really hate it.

My posts aren't any different than they have been. They're my opinion, same as they always were, same as everyone else's on here.

I don't think picking a QB at #1 is a good idea in our situation. It's a risk I would have been willing to support for Andrew Luck, but no one else is in his league.

Since Luck is out of the picture, I want a veteran QB, even if they're just a placeholder. And for the record, I said that same thing before Luck made his decision.

[panthers55]

You're not allowed to have questions about Newton. If you do, you must have something in your character that's making you do it. At least that's what I keep seeing from the Newton bandwagon.

Call me crazy, but I don't really see any difference between that and the tactics KT uses in these arguments.

Everyone has the right to state their opinion here for sure. I can understand why some folks don't like him or want to draft him. Doesn't make you wrong at all. The Panthers may agree with you.

Stereotyping all Newton supporters as being the same is no better than those who criticize the detractors as having racial motives or whatever.