Cam Newton: Self-proclaimed entertainer, icon

[TheRealDeal]

Watch the film, dude, the kid is always looking upfield before he runs, unless it's a called run. He is not like Vick, who always used to take off and run at the first sign of trouble. And BTW, the Falcons designed plays for Vick where he only had to make one simple read a lot of times, and he still screwed it up quite often. Even you're smart enough to know that Cam could handle that.

Cam hasn't shown me anything when it comes to making reads. When I watch his games, I see a lot of swing passes, a lot of quick hitches, a lot of go routes, and not much else. Those are simple throws that don't require reads. I know you really really like him and you have no chance of seeing this so I don't know why I'm wasting my time but it's distracting from work which is good. He hasn't shown one thing in college that leads someone to believe he will be a successful NFL QB. You can say he's a winner and leader and Heisman and all that but plenty of people are those things and are not successful in the NFL. He does not, absolutely does not show on tape that he can make multiple reads and hit the tough throws in traffic. He takes too long to shift his weight and therefor is off balance a lot.

As far as scrambling, he's not near as quick or fast as Vick. The thing that makes Vick so dangerous in and out of the pocket is that he makes those quick, shifty moves to get him out of there in a split second. Cam is a much slower starter than Vick.

Bottom line is Cam hasn't shown he can handle anything at the NFL level, especially reading defenses and making those tough throws, because he hasn't had to yet and I will not say he will handle it better than Vick, Romo, Clausen or anyone else until he does it.

[monstercat]

Yeah, and Bradford was throwing deep outs and deep crosses in college, right? Wrong, most of his passes were about 10yds and they weren't complicated reads either, yet he didn't get anywhere near this much criticism. In fact, he rarely threw the ball more than 10yds with the Rams last year.

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah, and Bradford was throwing deep outs and deep crosses in college, right? Wrong, most of his passes were about 10yds and they weren't complicated reads either, yet he didn't get anywhere near this much criticism. In fact, he rarely threw the ball more than 10yds with the Rams last year.

So you think Cam Newton and Sam Bradford is a fair comparison?

[teeray]

Cam hasn't shown me anything when it comes to making reads. When I watch his games, I see a lot of swing passes, a lot of quick hitches, a lot of go routes, and not much else. Those are simple throws that don't require reads. I know you really really like him and you have no chance of seeing this so I don't know why I'm wasting my time but it's distracting from work which is good. He hasn't shown one thing in college that leads someone to believe he will be a successful NFL QB. You can say he's a winner and leader and Heisman and all that but plenty of people are those things and are not successful in the NFL. He does not, absolutely does not show on tape that he can make multiple reads and hit the tough throws in traffic. He takes too long to shift his weight and therefor is off balance a lot.

As far as scrambling, he's not near as quick or fast as Vick. The thing that makes Vick so dangerous in and out of the pocket is that he makes those quick, shifty moves to get him out of there in a split second. Cam is a much slower starter than Vick.

Bottom line is Cam hasn't shown he can handle anything at the NFL level, especially reading defenses and making those tough throws, because he hasn't had to yet and I will not say he will handle it better than Vick, Romo, Clausen or anyone else until he does it.

But to be fair some of these same things can be said about any QB coming out.

Plus his throws were a little more diverse than you give him credit for, although there were a lot of swing passes involved also.

So I don't think he is light years away the way some suggest. There will be a transition but that is true of any QB that comes out and would be the same if we were talking about Luck instead of Newton.

[mav1234]

Yeah, and Bradford was throwing deep outs and deep crosses in college, right? Wrong, most of his passes were about 10yds and they weren't complicated reads either, yet he didn't get anywhere near this much criticism. In fact, he rarely threw the ball more than 10yds with the Rams last year.

Comparisons between Bradford and Newton are... just bad. Stop.

But to be fair some of these same things can be said about any QB coming out.

Plus his throws were a little more diverse than you give him credit for, although there were a lot of swing passes involved also.

So I don't think he is light years away the way some suggest. There will be a transition but that is true of any QB that comes out and would be the same if we were talking about Luck instead of Newton.

The reason I personally think the transition will be worse is because of how little time he spent in a college offense and the type of college offense it was. This is not a player who spent any time working under center, nor a player who has experience with multiple reads over a great deal of time (if any at all).. This is a player who was often able to lean on insane athleticism just to beat people in college, and that won't work as well in the NFL, so he'll have to embrace a totally new way of playing... I mean, there's just a lot of adjusting he'll have to do.

[TheRealDeal]

But to be fair some of these same things can be said about any QB coming out.

Plus his throws were a little more diverse than you give him credit for, although there were a lot of swing passes involved also.

So I don't think he is light years away the way some suggest. There will be a transition but that is true of any QB that comes out and would be the same if we were talking about Luck instead of Newton.

It wouldn't be the same with Luck, not even close. Sure there is an adjustment period but the whole style of playing QB is different for Cam going from college to the pros. Luck was showing things in college that he'll need to do in the NFL more so than Cam was.

Luck isn't coming out so I don't know why people like to continue talking about him.

[monstercat]

So you think Cam Newton and Sam Bradford is a fair comparison?

What I'm saying is that Newton is being criticized far more for running the offense he was told to run than any of these other college QB's. He did what his coaches asked him to do, and he did it better than any QB in the country.

[TheRealDeal]

What I'm saying is that Newton is being criticized far more for running the offense he was told to run than any of these other college QB's. He did what his coaches asked him to do, and he did it better than any QB in the country.

It's because the offense he was told to run was the furthest thing from an NFL offense except MAYBE the triple option. Other QBs while also running spreads, not spread options, had elements of pro offenses mixed in. Cam's had none.

[mav1234]

What I'm saying is that Newton is being criticized far more for running the offense he was told to run than any of these other college QB's. He did what his coaches asked him to do, and he did it better than any QB in the country.

that's because the offense he ran was nothing like "these other college QBs"...

except maybe The Golden Calf of Bristol, who got equal criticism imo.

[monstercat]

that's because the offense he ran was nothing like "these other college QBs"...

except maybe The Golden Calf of Bristol, who got equal criticism imo.

That offense is not as different as people are making it out to be. Blaine Gabbert wasn't going through 3 different progressions on every play either. In fact, it was obvious to me that Gabbert usually knew who he was throwing it to before the ball was even snapped, so he wasn't even making 1 read a lot of the time.

[TheRealDeal]

That offense is not as different as people are making it out to be. Blaine Gabbert wasn't going through 3 different progressions on every play either. In fact, it was obvious to me that Gabbert usually knew who he was throwing it to before the ball was even snapped, so he wasn't even making 1 read a lot of the time.

Really? That was obvious to you but the things in Cam's game aren't obvious to you?

:confused:

[mav1234]

That offense is not as different as people are making it out to be. Blaine Gabbert wasn't going through 3 different progressions on every play either. In fact, it was obvious to me that Gabbert usually knew who he was throwing it to before the ball was even snapped, so he wasn't even making 1 read a lot of the time.

1) Not many, if anyone, really expects or wants Gabbert to go #1 on this board... even me and I like him, lol.

2) Most every criticism I've EVER read of Gabbert actually includes something about the fact he came from a spread and will need to learn to make NFL reads.

3) There is more film of Gabbert out there (for scouts, anyway) and you can actually see him improving from one year to the next. For Cam, you've only got one year to go on.

[monstercat]

Well Mayock certainly seems to think that Gabbert is a possibility to go to Carolina at #1, unless they decide to go defense or can work a trade for more picks. Go figure...

[teeray]

Well Mayock certainly seems to think that Gabbert is a possibility to go to Carolina at #1, unless they decide to go defense or can work a trade for more picks. Go figure...

Maycock is the worst. He always goes against the grain.

This year he has Dareus ahead of Fairley, Quinn ahead of Bowers, and Locker ahead of Cam.

That in itself isn't the worst thing but, if ONE of these turn out to be true, he will beat his chest for five years over it to prove how fuggin smart he is.

He just makes different picks than everyone else, ignores the times he is wrong, and jerks off to himself when he turn out to be correct.