Can Cam be coached to be a NFL QB?

[monstercat]

Once again, if you want a pro style QB with 3 years of starting experience, very good mechanics, a clean academic and off the field record, who is able to read defenses, and call his own audibles, then we should draft T.J Yates. Why is nobody talking about him, if those things are so important?

[The Saltman]

TJ yates :lol:

[monstercat]

TJ yates :lol:

That's the reaction I was looking for. He has everything that they say Cam doesn't have, yet he's not even in the discussion as a 1st round pick. The fact is, you have to have the natural talent to build on first, or none of that other stuff even matters, which is why T.J, even with all of his knowledge of running a pro system, reading defenses, and almost perfect mechanics, is a late round pick, at best. It's all about talent people.

[The Saltman]

Just because Cam was in an offense that is considered simple doesnt mean he doesnt have the intellect to be able to understand one. I think there are some serious stereotypes concerning the guy. No race baiting here just saying.

[panthers55]

Just because Cam was in an offense that is considered simple doesnt mean he doesnt have the intellect to be able to understand one. I think there are some serious stereotypes concerning the guy. No race baiting here just saying.

A big part of why it was simple because it was a hurry up attacking style similar to a 2 minute offense. Honestly that is a plus to me in some ways. Cam has the ability to attack defenses, improvise and move the ball. With time he can learn the other parts he is missing. Ask the rest of the SEC. it was simple to execute but not very easy to defend. That is the essence of a good offense.

[DirtyMagic97]

A big part of why it was simple because it was a hurry up attacking style similar to a 2 minute offense. Honestly that is a plus to me in some ways. Cam has the ability to attack defenses, improvise and move the ball. With time he can learn the other parts he is missing. Ask the rest of the SEC. it was simple to execute but not very easy to defend. That is the essence of a good offense.

Exactly. It's a good system when you have the appropriate athletes to run it. Spreads take advantage of one on one coverage, speed discrepancies, fewer blitzes, limited defensive packages, and less need for sustained blocking.

I used to be very against drafting Newton, but I'm not that way anymore. I don't think I'd mind giving him a chance, because he is just a freak athlete. But he is certainly behind the 8-ball and spending that amount of money on someone who has to relearn the position is adding risk to something that is already very risky.

[Jackofalltrades]

Wonderlic will answer some questions for Cam.

[koolkatluke]

Davidson worked for Weiss when they both were at New England. Davidson's system is Weiss's system. You could accurately argue that while it was the same system Davidson didn't run it like Weiss did but people quickly forget that this same system yielded large results in 2008 with jake as QB. The point I was making was that not only was Clausen coming from a pro-ready system but he was going into virtually the same system in the pros that he left in college. The numbering system, reads and calls were almost identical which should have made the transition easy.

1st Davidson had the best running game I've seen in 2008 that is the only reason he looked good. We were getting 1st down on 3rd and 16 draws that will make any OC look good. He still didn't show a knowlege in working a passing game. So it can be almost the same system but without the same person calling the right plays for the right situation it will not work.

As for having a good supporting cast, injuries were a huge issue. But honestly I think that his supporting cast wasn't as bad as they looked with him at the helm. By not throwing downfield for example it negated Steve Smith arguably still your best receiver, and it hampered the running game and increased the liklihood of being blitzed since the safeties stayed in the box. Everyone knew when it was third and more than 2, Clausen was going to be blitzed and most likely sacked.

Look at the supporting cast Beuerlein had when he played taking 50 sacks yet still putting up good numbers and going 8-8 and get back with me.

We will never agree on this. Bernacrap Regressed and still can't stop any Dline stunt and Gray williams is the worst RT tackle I've seen. Without Otah that right side not only lost it's toughess but it draged down the rest of the Oline. Now the Wr improve as the season went a long but Jimmy was in the 3rd game of the season and they weren't good at the start. Plus he was always working with different wr's (clowny, Delvin thomas). The running game didn't get going until the end of the season. The defense was solid most of the year but some games they didn't do the offence any favors (Bears game they made Forte look like Sweetness in the 1st qrt. then the drop int's in the cincy game). Jimmy was bad but even on some good drives somebody else my have made a drive killing play.

Examples:

Jordan Gross - How many drive killing holding calls did he have this year?

J Stew - Costly fumble in the Cinncy game

Goodson - has some bad fumbles

D-will - bad run in the 1st NO game

WR - drops in worst situation like Gary drop in the game that hit him in the chest.

I can't think of them all.

Like I said Jimmy sucked but the situation wasn't ideal for a rookie QB. We will not agree on that.

[The Saltman]

Wonderlic will answer some questions for Cam.

ya and dan marino got a 13.

[monstercat]

Wonderlic will answer some questions for Cam.

The interviews will answer more questions that the wonderlic will. I'm convinced he will do well at both though, because he has been preparing for all of it.

[Jackofalltrades]

I used to be very against drafting Newton, but I'm not that way anymore. I don't think I'd mind giving him a chance, because he is just a freak athlete. But he is certainly behind the 8-ball and spending that amount of money on someone who has to relearn the position is adding risk to something that is already very risky.

That's the point I'm at right now. I'm warming up to the idea of drafting him, but he's not my first choice and I have several reservations about him, mostly revolving around maturity and character.

[panthers55]

Exactly. It's a good system when you have the appropriate athletes to run it. Spreads take advantage of one on one coverage, speed discrepancies, fewer blitzes, limited defensive packages, and less need for sustained blocking.

I used to be very against drafting Newton, but I'm not that way anymore. I don't think I'd mind giving him a chance, because he is just a freak athlete. But he is certainly behind the 8-ball and spending that amount of money on someone who has to relearn the position is adding risk to something that is already very risky.

If there is a rookie cap I saw the 20 million number thrown around on a 4 year deal. At 5 million a year the return on possible investment outweighs the risk IMO. After all we paid Moore over 3 and Clausen over 2 million in 2010 and look what we got in return.

A creative OC could use him right away. If you used him like Bradford and allowed him to grow into the position he could operate the offense certainly as well as Clausen from day 1.

[Jackofalltrades]

I will say this, I do like how well spoken he is and how he's handled everything as of late.

[koolkatluke]

That's the reaction I was looking for. He has everything that they say Cam doesn't have, yet he's not even in the discussion as a 1st round pick. The fact is, you have to have the natural talent to build on first, or none of that other stuff even matters, which is why T.J, even with all of his knowledge of running a pro system, reading defenses, and almost perfect mechanics, is a late round pick, at best. It's all about talent people.

He only showed it in one year!!!! You Unc fans are funny he sucked every other year but 1. Fans were calling him TJ yikes until this year alot of you wanted the back-up too beat him out. Let's just say if Larry Drew had stayed and had a good senior year would you want the Bobcats too draft him? Let it go MC.