Can Cam be coached to be a NFL QB?

[DirtyMagic97]

Spread QB's don't bother me as much as run option QB's.

This.

People need to understand that "Spread Offense" is an extremely broad term referring mostly to the mount of receivers on the field. Spreading the field wide is where it starts. Some QBs that come from a spread still make multiple reads and spread the ball to many receivers. Some QBs come from run-scheme spreads that take advantage of mismatches and the fact that the QB is more of an athlete than anyone on the other side of the ball.

[Jackofalltrades]

You mean like Joe Montana who came out of the triple option??? LOL

There are always exceptions genius.

[DirtyMagic97]

You mean like Joe Montana who came out of the triple option??? LOL

I think you can hardly consider the offense Joe Montana ran at Notre Dame a triple option style offense. At the very most it was "multiple-style". He ran mostly pro sets and the triple option was utilized for short yardage situations. Today, the run-option QB relies far more heavily on the run.

[MadHatter]

The "pro ready" QB's that played in NFL style offenses in college, have been the biggest busts to come out lately.

It is an overrated asset that means very little in the transition to the NFL.

The questions for Cam are the same that will be any QB, including Luck. How quickly can he make multiple reads, pre-snap reading, adjusting to the speed of the defense.

If he can learn that he will be fine.

QB's that play in a pro-style offense have shown the ability (or non-ability) to make multiple reads, pre-snap reads, etc... while they were in college. There is tape on this doing these very things that can be analyzed to determine how they are likely to translate to the next level.

A QB like Newton (who was never asked to do these things in college) is a different animal. There is no tape to analyze, nothing to look at in game situations to see how he reacted. You have to solely go on whether you think he can learn it from interviews.

Again, this is not saying that Cam won't be a great QB....or even that we should not take him. Just that there is more risk in him "because" of the things that you can't see on tape.

[MHS831]

QB's that play in a pro-style offense have shown the ability (or non-ability) to make multiple reads, pre-snap reads, etc... while they were in college. There is tape on this doing these very things that can be analyzed to determine how they are likely to translate to the next level.

A QB like Newton (who was never asked to do these things in college) is a different animal. There is no tape to analyze, nothing to look at in game situations to see how he reacted. You have to solely go on whether you think he can learn it from interviews.

Again, this is not saying that Cam won't be a great QB....or even that we shoudl not take him. Just that there is more risk in him "because" of the things that you can't see on tape.

Well written and accurate. I think the key word here is "risk." Many people who want Newton are entranced by his potential. He is a stud and the poster boy for the "workout warrior" if you ask me. This is the time when everyone should know his stock would be the highest. Drink the Kool-aid if your desperation permits it, but the RISK is too large to spend $55 million and the first overall pick on a gamble. Regardless of what people think they know, Newton is a high dollar, high risk, gamble.

JR will probably not gamble on the first pick. Why has Hurney never drafted a first round QB? WR? They are high risk. He takes safe picks who have obvious abilities to convert to the NFL. If he picks Newton, it is because they have explored the risk factors and feel he is a rather certain upgrade. I will be OK with that. But if he is like a lot of folks on this board, drunk by his potential, we are in for a rough 3-4 years.

[CatMan72]

QB's that play in a pro-style offense have shown the ability (or non-ability) to make multiple reads, pre-snap reads, etc... while they were in college. There is tape on this doing these very things that can be analyzed to determine how they are likely to translate to the next level.

A QB like Newton (who was never asked to do these things in college) is a different animal. There is no tape to analyze, nothing to look at in game situations to see how he reacted. You have to solely go on whether you think he can learn it from interviews.

Again, this is not saying that Cam won't be a great QB....or even that we shoudl not take him. Just that there is more risk in him "because" of the things that you can't see on tape.

Good points, it's funny though that according to the long sun-sentinel article someone posted, Cam was thought of as a pocket-passer coming out of high school and he shocked everyone when he ran a 4.5 40, nobody knew he could run like that... so it's not like the kid was just a talented athlete that they decided to try out at QB one day.

[panthers55]

There are always exceptions genius.

Just like making wide sweeping generalizations are usually incorrect, Einstein.

I think you can hardly consider the offense Joe Montana ran at Notre Dame a triple option style offense. At the very most it was "multiple-style". He ran mostly pro sets and the triple option was utilized for short yardage situations. Today, the run-option QB relies far more heavily on the run.

It was the triple option which has both run and passing components to it. He didn't run mostly pro sets but they did pass out of it more than some teams since or before based on the skill sets of the personnel. Again broad generalizations typically prove to be false.

[panthers55]

This.

People need to understand that "Spread Offense" is an extremely broad term referring mostly to the mount of receivers on the field. Spreading the field wide is where it starts. Some QBs that come from a spread still make multiple reads and spread the ball to many receivers. Some QBs come from run-scheme spreads that take advantage of mismatches and the fact that the QB is more of an athlete than anyone on the other side of the ball.

I think most people understand this. The people who seem confused are the ones who believe that coming from a spread offense is a distinct disadvantage to guys going to the NFL. Since there are more spread offense than traditional ones in the college ranks, it would mean that the majority of quarterbacks have s steep learning curve.

But if you think that Newton came from a run scheme offense and can't stand in the pocket then you are confused.

[Carolina Husker]

Afterall, Jimmy Clausen was the most NFL ready qb on the board last year.

Clearly he wasn't, and I don't think anyone actually said that, much less believed it.

[DaCityKats]

yes he can op, whatever team that picks him needs to build around him.because of his skill set i would put a lot of roll outs, and boots to take advantage of his ability.

[rico6]

I don't see why not... I think Clausen is a perfect example of the fact that there's way too much value place on a kid being "NFL ready" because they played in a pro-style offense.

Exactly.

Making Cam "Just a Pocket Passer" would be like cutting off his right hand. There's no need in drafting a player with his potential, athleticism, and skill if you're just going to ask him to 3-step drop all the time.

Whatever Coordinator, or QB Coach (Shula) makes the best of Cam's skillsets is what will truly make him into the best.

However, I do agree. Cam is a definite 1-year sit&wait type of QB. Let him learn of the NFL Offense, and his game will truly explode after that.

So to answer your question. Yes, I do believe that Cam can be a great NFL Quarterback. In due time.

The Panthers went 'safe' in drafting Clausen, and while he wasn't given the best of situations to play NFL QB. He definitely made it known that he was shell shocked by playing in the NFL. Refusing to throw deep at times, letting S.Smith making him his bitch, showing no form of gradual improvement throughout out the year. ( I REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT POINT)

[Jackofalltrades]

Just like making wide sweeping generalizations are usually incorrect, Einstein.

Then again history serves to prepare us for the future. Stereotypes are born because of repeating patterns.

[MadHatter]

Good points, it's funny though that according to the long sun-sentinel article someone posted, Cam was thought of as a pocket-passer coming out of high school and he shocked everyone when he ran a 4.5 40, nobody knew he could run like that... so it's not like the kid was just a talented athlete that they decided to try out at QB one day.

I read the same article....which is one of the reasons that I am not completely against taking him.

From what I saw from him in the passing game at Auburn....he has a strong arm, is accurate on the short passes, had nice touch on many of his passes, and was pretty accurate on his long throws. I like everything that I saw.

I am just concerned about the things that I didn't see.

I am just a pretty risk averse person....the accountant in me. But, I could understand if the FO saw enough in the kid to roll the dice and gamble.

Tough decision ahead for the Panthers brass. This is definitely one decision that will be questioned no matter what they do.

[panthers55]

Then again history serves to prepare us for the future. Stereotypes are born because of repeating patterns.

Stereotypes are born of prejudice and ignorance. Illusory correlations and urban legends. Repeated often enough to gain traction by those unwilling to question what they believe to be their "already knowing".