"If it were up to me to fix the QB spot, I would..."

[holycrikey]

The guy had a decent OL, 2 Stud Wide Receivers a pretty good RB and a great draft pick last year in the TE spot and the guy is killer?

DO

NOT

WANT

2 stud WR's? Hardly. TO is at the end of his game and drops passes left and right. Ochocinco still has some gas. Ochocinco is 33 and TO is 37. You're telling me they're still "studs"? Give me a break. They're both at the very end of their careers.

Yes, Jermain Gresham was a good pick and he's a good TE. And Palmer illustrated that. He got the ball to Gresham 52 times (franchise record for a TE).

Carson needs a new home that isn't as weird and muddled in defeat as Cincy. He needs to be away from TO and Ochocinco. Give him a new team and I guarantee he'll produce wins. I've watched him since USC and I know he needs a new team. There is no better QB out there that is either a free agent or wants out of their current situation.

He is the best available. I say take him. The #1 pick is the weakest in years and years. I don't mind using it if it helps secure Palmer.

[TheRealDeal]

TO is still a stud. Don't be fooled by the age.

[TheRealDeal]

My new dream plan:

Moore

Palmer

Colin K.

You heard it here first :)

[micnificent28]

If you want to be Elite you have to gamble big. Roll the dice with Newton...No more stopgaps.

[TheRealDeal]

If you want to be Elite you have to gamble big. Roll the dice with Newton...No more stopgaps.

I don't think you have to gamble. I think you have to draft players that you think are going to be great in the NFL, not players that could be great in the NFL if the stars align.

You don't become elite by drafting gambles every time and hoping they pay off. You have to draft smart and pick players you are sure will improve your franchise.

[The Saltman]

picking players you are sure will improve your franchise? im sure all franchises think that, doesnt mean being sure about it makes it so.

[TheRealDeal]

picking players you are sure will improve your franchise? im sure all franchises think that, doesnt mean being sure about it makes it so.

Right but you don't "Gamble Big" to become elite.

Gambling Big makes you one of the Bay Area teams

[micnificent28]

I don't think you have to gamble. I think you have to draft players that you think are going to be great in the NFL, not players that could be great in the NFL if the stars align.

You don't become elite by drafting gambles every time and hoping they pay off. You have to draft smart and pick players you are sure will improve your franchise.

We wouldn't know that because the Panthers never gamble. We've been playing it safe so long we've passed on a number of elite talents in the process because they were not "safe". Saying the stars would have to align for cam to be a star is insane. Most would agree he has a Greater chance of becoming a Elite QB than colin k. What u want us to do is wanting us to do is exactly what we've been doing since we came into the NFL. The same tired stopgap wait on the perfect specimen before you draft a QB Crap.

Most casual fans don't know one player on the panthers roster. Its time for a face to the franchise,someone to bring energy into the fanbase. Cam us the only player in the draft with that kind of potential. Not only would he be a nightmare for defenses to prepare for but what he'd do for the franchise would be amazing. Jersey sales,new fans,ticket sales,Endorsements and national media coverage. I think it even bring in a couple million dollars to the city of charlotte itself.

Could he be a bust? yes but easily so could fairley or anyone else at the top. But what if he isn't? He has the potential to change the way the QB position is played. Not since Vick Came into the league has a player had that kind of potential and Cam is easily a better passer. Not to mention if a new CBA is signed and a rookie cap is installed. He could become an even lower risk! there is a lot riding on this pick but,to me the reward out ways the risk easy....

[TheRealDeal]

All of that doesn't change the premise that you don't HAVE to gamble to be elite.

All your post said was Cam is a big name so people who don't watch the Panthers will know a player on our team. Great. Oh he will also sell some jerseys. Hooray.

Do elite team's get judged on names and jersey sales?

If he helps us become an elite team, we will draft him. If not, we won't. It's simple. Jersey sales and player endorsements won't make him elite

We also sell out every game already and we were 2-14 so ticket sales are a non issue.

[Snake]

picking players you are sure will improve your franchise? im sure all franchises think that, doesnt mean being sure about it makes it so.

This is why I trust Hurney. In 2002 with the second pick we took the only player to have success. Whoever Hurney pick IMO I think they will have success with us.

Still to be fair in that draft David Carr was good for 3 years and with that poo line that made him a permanent part of the AstroTurf.

[rayzor]

I don't think you have to gamble. I think you have to draft players that you think are going to be great in the NFL, not players that could be great in the NFL if the stars align.

You don't become elite by drafting gambles every time and hoping they pay off. You have to draft smart and pick players you are sure will improve your franchise.

every draft pick is a gamble....esp. in the first round. there are no sure things. there are few positions that come without significant bust rates. no player is 100% ready for the pro game when they are drafted. none of them are without flaws or with nothing to learn. they all have weaknesses.

you draft smart, but you don't need to try to go the safest route either. if you do that, you stand the very real risk of staying average. that was the route that fox took every year and the result was a very mediocre team.

[Snake]

every draft pick is a gamble....esp. in the first round. there are no sure things. there are few positions that come without significant bust rates. no player is 100% ready for the pro game when they are drafted. none of them are without flaws or with nothing to learn. they all have weaknesses.

you draft smart, but you don't need to try to go the safest route either. if you do that, you stand the very real risk of staying average. that was the route that fox took every year and the result was a very mediocre team.

Agreed. Tom Brady only happens once in 20 years so finding a QB out of the top 15 is rare.

[TheRealDeal]

every draft pick is a gamble....esp. in the first round. there are no sure things. there are few positions that come without significant bust rates. no player is 100% ready for the pro game when they are drafted. none of them are without flaws or with nothing to learn. they all have weaknesses.

you draft smart, but you don't need to try to go the safest route either. if you do that, you stand the very real risk of staying average. that was the route that fox took every year and the result was a very mediocre team.

I thought you didn't read my posts?

Anyway, I agree but I think some players are higher risks/bigger gambles than others. As an organization you have to take calculated risks not "big gambles" when drafting, especially at #1 overall.

The last two teams to take a "Big Gamble" for a QB at #1 haven't yet recovered. For one it's been 6 years and no end is in sight.

[rayzor]

Agreed. Tom Brady only happens once in 20 years so finding a QB out of the top 15 is rare.

thats pretty much why i really wouldn't bother drafting a guy outside the first round at all.

if you are serious about wanting a franchise QB, you daft him in the first round. you don't go looking around for one, hoping one falls out of the sky into your lap.

if you want a backup or a good pair of experienced eyes on the sidelines, you pick up a vet FA.

very simple no-nonsense approach that yields the best results.