Latest Mock Mel Kiper Has Cam going 3 to buffalo

[rippadonn]

After the way Kiper built up Jimmy Clausen last year, i'm more than a little skeptical, when he starts another big buildup this year with Cam Newton.

He had Jimmy as the third best QB, middle of the pack, sounds about right.

[monstercat]

Didn't the all knowing Mike Mayock have Jimmy rated about the same as Kiper?

[TheRealDeal]

He had Jimmy as the third best QB, middle of the pack, sounds about right.

False

[rippadonn]

False

Yeah, now it's false in hindsight. He may have elevated him a notch which isn't so bad if you're friend gives such glowing reports and tells you how good the kid is.

I heard where he was rated by Kiper on Frank and Moose today. Third.

[TheRealDeal]

But that's not true, he had him as the 4th best overall player and possibly the first QB going #1. He got paid for this. This is not news.

[rotm]

Worst passing offense, good defense, new regime, former D coordinators usually take offensive players high, first overall pick, disheartened fan base. Thats a recipe for Cam Newton.

As for Clausen looking around some past drafts and Holmgren ditched Brady Quinn as fast as he possibly could. Jim Schwartz could have cared less about the 2nd rounder they had invested in Drew Stanton. If the Dolphins had a second they would draft Mallet/Locker or someone with it this year again.

[rippadonn]

You got to go QB. THAT was clearly our problem. Drafting a DT would be like ignoring it.

[rippadonn]

But that's not true, he had him as the 4th best overall player and possibly the first QB going #1. He got paid for this. This is not news.

You could be right. That's what they said though.

[rippadonn]

Fairley is a rookie like Cam and just as much a risk. Cam is clearly the better of the two (his coach said so) with way more upside. I really can't understand many other arguments. Slam dunk. Luck is sitting, boo hoo.

[TheRealDeal]

You could be right. That's what they said though.

I am always right :party:

But Kiper is sticking to his guns. “I had him as the fourth-best player,” Kiper said in a post-draft conference call. “That’s my rating. That’s my opinion, and I’ll stand by it. We’ll see what happens three years from now.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/29/mel-kiper-stands-by-his-assessment-of-jimmy-clausen/

[Rags]

Its not about the bills...its about draft positioning...if a guy is good enuff to go three, he's good enuff to go one...

mock =/= real thing

fwiw, Mel had Jimmy going in the top ten, and to the bills at that.

using a mock as a bragging right is pretty weak bro.

[Catalyst]

I could care less about what Kiper thinks; what matters to me is that I think Cam Newton is going to prove all his detractors wrong and be a stud NFL QB within 3 years. I think his character issues are behind him and all these Young/Russel comparisons are WAY off base.

Newton has the arm strength, the accuracy (something VY & Russel never did), the work ethic, and the desire to be a top flight NFL QB. Is there a certain amount of risk involved? Sure, but I'm sorry, what this franchise needs more than anything else right now is a QB. Clausen can be better, yes, but he will never be a Pro Bowler. I think Cam Newton can and will be if he's given time to sit and adjust to the NFL.

I'm at a loss to understand what you anti-QB folks want us to do here. You'd rather sit on Clausen and HOPE he's the guy? Sign Billy Volek and hope his arm doesn't turn to dust before we can find an answer? If we don't take a QB this year, we're going to HAVE to take one next year. And I promise you we won't be picking 1st next year, and despite what so many seem to think, next year's QB class is FAR from set as being any better than this year. Sure, Luck will likely be there, but he's going 1st and not to us.

You're telling me you'd rather trade up for Matt Barkley and give up ANOTHER 2nd rounder (and maybe a 3rd rounder, too!) for him than just take what's right in front of us right here, right now? Because I promise you that's what it will come to. Hurney is NOT going to wait around another 3-4 years before addressing the QB position. We don't take Newton this year, we trade the house to take the 2nd or 3rd best QB in next year's draft. Does that sound like a plan to any of you?

I really believe - now more than ever based on Rivera's comments today - that we are seriously considering Newton and that, by draft day, he'll be at the top of most everyone's board after wowing at his pro day and/or the combine. I understand some of you are just afraid we'll get burned on the pick and would rather play it safe and take one of the "NFL ready" players at a lesser position, but Cam Newton is on a collision course with the top of most team's boards and we're picking 1st overall.

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and take a big risk to get big reward. I guarantee you, passing on Newton would set this franchise back at LEAST 5 years. It'll be JUST like taking Thomas Davis over Aaron Rodgers in '05: even if the guy we take ends up being a player we'll still have missed out on a stud QB.

[MadHatter]

I could care less about what Kiper thinks; what matters to me is that I think Cam Newton is going to prove all his detractors wrong and be a stud NFL QB within 3 years. I think his character issues are behind him and all these Young/Russel comparisons are WAY off base.

Newton has the arm strength, the accuracy (something VY & Russel never did), the work ethic, and the desire to be a top flight NFL QB. Is there a certain amount of risk involved? Sure, but I'm sorry, what this franchise needs more than anything else right now is a QB. Clausen can be better, yes, but he will never be a Pro Bowler. I think Cam Newton can and will be if he's given time to sit and adjust to the NFL.

I'm at a loss to understand what you anti-QB folks want us to do here. You'd rather sit on Clausen and HOPE he's the guy? Sign Billy Volek and hope his arm doesn't turn to dust before we can find an answer? If we don't take a QB this year, we're going to HAVE to take one next year. And I promise you we won't be picking 1st next year, and despite what so many seem to think, next year's QB class is FAR from set as being any better than this year. Sure, Luck will likely be there, but he's going 1st and not to us.

You're telling me you'd rather trade up for Matt Barkley and give up ANOTHER 2nd rounder (and maybe a 3rd rounder, too!) for him than just take what's right in front of us right here, right now? Because I promise you that's what it will come to. Hurney is NOT going to wait around another 3-4 years before addressing the QB position. We don't take Newton this year, we trade the house to take the 2nd or 3rd best QB in next year's draft. Does that sound like a plan to any of you?

I really believe - now more than ever based on Rivera's comments today - that we are seriously considering Newton and that, by draft day, he'll be at the top of most everyone's board after wowing at his pro day and/or the combine. I understand some of you are just afraid we'll get burned on the pick and would rather play it safe and take one of the "NFL ready" players at a lesser position, but Cam Newton is on a collision course with the top of most team's boards and we're picking 1st overall.

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and take a big risk to get big reward. I guarantee you, passing on Newton would set this franchise back at LEAST 5 years. It'll be JUST like taking Thomas Davis over Aaron Rodgers in '05: even if the guy we take ends up being a player we'll still have missed out on a stud QB.

I agree with you that Newton has all of the physical tools to be a great NFL QB.

The biggest canundrum with Newton is that the question marks about him are more to do with what people did not see him do at Auburn (play under center, read defenses at the LOS, go through multiple progressions in the passing game)....rather that what they saw him do wrong.

This is not the fault of Newton. He did everything the coaches asked him...and did them well.

No amount of combines nor workouts will erase these question marks....they can only be worked through in real game situations.

Therefore, if the team does its homework and believes that this kid can do all of those things, I say take him #1.

Is it a risk....yes. Maybe more of a risk than most QB's from a pro style system (but only because you have game tape on that QB in those very situations). But, with the risk comes the reward.

This is an interested, and VERY tough decision that the Panthers staff has to make.

[teeray]

I agree with you that Newton has all of the physical tools to be a great NFL QB.

The biggest canundrum with Newton is that the question marks about him are more to do with what people did not see him do at Auburn (play under center, read defenses at the LOS, go through multiple progressions in the passing game)....rather that what they saw him do wrong.

This is not the fault of Newton. He did everything the coaches asked him...and did them well.

No amount of combines nor workouts will erase these question marks....they can only be worked through in real game situations.

Therefore, if the team does its homework and believes that this kid can do all of those things, I say take him #1.

Is it a risk....yes. Maybe more of a risk than most QB's from a pro style system (but only because you have game tape on that QB in those very situations). But, with the risk comes the reward.

This is an interested, and VERY tough decision that the Panthers staff has to make.

Here we go again. The only QB to be taken in the first round that played in a true pro style offense to become successful was Matt Ryan.

The idea that coming from a pro offense means you are better prepared is a MYTH!!!!!!

They have a much higher BUST rate than QB's that come from non-pro style offenses.

My thinking is because they put too much value on the system the guy played in and not enough on his actual skill set.