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Rivera says we will draft # 1 pick based on biggest need and we will use the tag

CatMan72

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panthers55 Grand Master

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Hurney said that at the combine they will watch drills, get physicals on the guys they are looking at, and interview 60 guys. Lets see how things shake out after that.

I did get the feeling that at least for Rivera the Qb position is huge for him. And he clearly stated that they were bringing in some guys through FA and the draft. I gather that if he has his way, we will pick a Qb with the first pick. But it won't be his decision so much as a group pick. I gather that in his enthusiam he might be talking about his choice but you know Hurney is giving nothing away as for where he leans. I suspect he is keeping all his options open including trading down.

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neither did these guys: Roethlisberger, Vick, Rivers, Freeman, Flacco, Cutler, Bradford,

The only great QB to come out of a pro system is Matt Ryan in recent memory.

1) all of those players had more than 1 year of college passing, which makes a big difference.

2) a few of those guys actually took snaps under center, even if they weren't the majority of them.

3) only one of those guys ran anywhere near as much as Newton.

college offenses vary greatly in what they ask quarterbacks. by no means does this mean newton can't transition. but still, he's going to have a lot of ground to cover. he just hasn't had the snaps as a passer at the college level those guys did (or most of those guys, don't know the numbers on flacco and cutler)

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1) all of those players had more than 1 year of college passing, which makes a big difference.

2) a few of those guys actually took snaps under center, even if they weren't the majority of them.

3) only one of those guys ran anywhere near as much as Newton.

college offenses vary greatly in what they ask quarterbacks. by no means does this mean newton can't transition. but still, he's going to have a lot of ground to cover. he just hasn't had the snaps as a passer at the college level those guys did (or most of those guys, don't know the numbers on flacco and cutler)

Aaron Rodgers came put of a non traditional offense also.

My point is this idea that coming from a pro system in college means you will transition better to the pros is false. As a matter of fact the biggest bust have come from pro systems.

Leinart, russell, Quinn, Clausen, all were epic busts. There is only one pro style QB that has turned out to be a great NFL QB lately. It is not even close. Spread or hybrid QB's have a higher success rate than Pro style QB's.

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1) all of those players had more than 1 year of college passing, which makes a big difference.

2) a few of those guys actually took snaps under center, even if they weren't the majority of them.

3) only one of those guys ran anywhere near as much as Newton.

college offenses vary greatly in what they ask quarterbacks. by no means does this mean newton can't transition. but still, he's going to have a lot of ground to cover. he just hasn't had the snaps as a passer at the college level those guys did (or most of those guys, don't know the numbers on flacco and cutler)

Haven't we beaten this to death. Joe Montana came out of a triple option and did alright.

It isn't about what he did or didn't do but what potential he has to do the things coaches need him to do once he is drafted. If the coaches and scouts think he is the best guy to run their offense they will pick him. If Hurney is willing to pick a guy like Edwards and gamble on him transitioning to a wide receiver, he is not going to worry about what offense a Qb played in. He knows that there are things you can coach and things you can't. Learning defenses and taking snaps from center aren't not exactly rocket science. They take time for all QBs to learn. By all accounts, Whitfield was able to do a pretty good job improving his mechanics and footwork in a matter of weeks.

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Incorrect, majority yes, but not vast by any means.

Taking snaps from center was something he was used to, unlike a lot of true spread QB's. OU runs a lot of pro looks.

He was still in a gimmick offense no matter what the ratio was. Still Clausen had major trouble with Center/QB hand off and was in a pro system his whole career. Taking snaps under center is not a good barometer for how good a QB will be. Its like saying TO would have not been a good WR cause he did not play in a major conference.

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He was still in a gimmick offense no matter what the ratio was. Still Clausen had major trouble with Center/QB hand off and was in a pro system his whole career. Taking snaps under center is not a good barometer for how good a QB will be. Its like saying TO would have not been a good WR cause he did not play in a major conference.

No gimmicks, try again.

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Incorrect, majority yes, but not vast by any means.

Taking snaps from center was something he was used to, unlike a lot of true spread QB's. OU runs a lot of pro looks.

Nearly every scouting service had listed Bradford's negatives as having to learn to take snaps from under center. Literally every one that listed negatives mentions this.

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