Owners come to defense of Panthers' Richardson

[MadHatter]

Dear Mr. Mod.

Whether Richardson is working with the owners to orchestrating this persona in an attempt to intimidate the players or he's just that unsavvy during negotiations, eitherway, it's poor negotiation tactics and is only hurting the Panthers, the NFL, the players and the fans.

Thanks for the forum,

Hmmmm.....

Let me see who I trust more in knowing how to negotiate Big Business contracts.......a very successful and respected business owner ....or some idiot on a message board who is merely reading a text book about negotiation.

You fail....AGAIN.

[CatMan72]

Thank you for bringing an NFL team to the Carolinas. Thank you so much. Here is all my hard earned cash. Please please please let me see football next year! Is that better?

How about this. In 14 years there have been 4 winning seasons. You fired Fox for only having 2 wining seasons out of 9. How about spending the MONEY and get us a winning team on the field? If you have the wrong upper managment to do this, then fire them! Give me a break. You bash Fox for 2 winning seasons and act like a COACH is the only reason a team wins or loses? How about firing everyone around you and maybe even firing yourself if that's what it takes.

I could care less who owns the team. Just put a winning product on the field and quit your complaining about how much it costs. If you can't afford it, then get out of the business. Owning an NFL team is a luxury. It's not suppose to be you're only source of income. Keep flippin them burgers, pay the money and "the fans" the product they are paying for.

thanks,

one of the guys who pays for your luxury item.

You sound like someone is forcing you to spend all your hard earned cash on the Panthers? If you feel like your not getting value out of what you spend on the Panthers than why do you continue to spend it?

[Davidson Deac II]

These are fans of a relatively young franchise. Most do not really know how to be fans of a NFL team and often think it includes the owner and staff as well etc no matter how far they take it. Why? Who knows, maybe fans have a false sense of loyalty. This just simply isn't possible, things change and people change. This isn't baseball where coaches have been there for 50 years. So really you can only be a fan of the team, and stay true to the team, whatever hurts the team is bad for the team, easy enough. Really breaking down the essence of being a true fan of the team. Whether your a fan of the staff or not, the team is always there, playing for you.

Rivera is the last coach under Richardson. After that you guys will have to move on and more importantly possibly accept a new way of ownership. I have a feeling a lot of guys will have a hard time with that, but you shouldn't because your team is still there and always has been. I was pointed this out as I was complaining to some co workers about how attached this fan base is for weak reasons. You can see this with Delhomme, Peppers even Smith.

Didn't realize experience was required to be a fan. Do we need to submit a resume as well, and would that be with or without coversheet? ;)

[riddel]

So I guess the only reason that you're not super-rich is because you don't know the right people, huh? Because it's easy if you do.

How do you know I'm not super rich?

Who you know and what they perceive of you is more important than ANY thing else when it comes to power and wealth. Look at any bio from a powerful wealthy individual and you will see someone that believed in them and put their faith in the fact they could make them money. Richardson had Bradshaw and Hugh McColl. That's what it takes.

This has nothing to do with you or me. Why does it matter how much power or money either of us have? This is a discussion board and I'm simply discussing what I believe it takes to get the NFL product back on the field.

If you want to measure tax brackets with me, then you're about 2 years too late. I'm retired and currently go to school to obtain an MBA that I'll never use but simply want, i run a consulting firm that consists of me and a partner and we have just a handful of contracts, I run a nonprofit skateboarding team for my boys called Way Truth Life, I live on the beach in FL for the last 5 years but still go to Panthers games when I can and I wear their gear every Sunday while sitting in a packed full restaurant and I'm the ONLY Panthers fan there, I surf as often as the waves will allow it. I could go on, but the point is, success and happiness are a state of mind. Money and power do not create this state. So, quality of life wise, I'm pretty flippin happy, even if I do make 75% less than I did in 2008.

Richardson put himself out there as the representative, so I'm telling him as a fan to get the deal done and put my product back on the field!

[Panthro]

Where's your fuging prune juice chalice

[PantherBrew]

I am super cool.

[Cyberjag]

How do you know I'm not super rich?

Who you know and what they perceive of you is more important than ANY thing else when it comes to power and wealth. Look at any bio from a powerful wealthy individual and you will see someone that believed in them and put their faith in the fact they could make them money. Richardson had Bradshaw and Hugh McColl. That's what it takes.

This has nothing to do with you or me. Why does it matter how much power or money either of us have? This is a discussion board and I'm simply discussing what I believe it takes to get the NFL product back on the field.

If you want to measure tax brackets with me, then you're about 2 years too late. I'm retired and currently go to school to obtain an MBA that I'll never use but simply want, i run a consulting firm that consists of me and a partner and we have just a handful of contracts, I run a nonprofit skateboarding team for my boys called Way Truth Life, I live on the beach in FL for the last 5 years but still go to Panthers games when I can and I wear their gear every Sunday while sitting in a packed full restaurant and I'm the ONLY Panthers fan there, I surf as often as the waves will allow it. I could go on, but the point is, success and happiness are a state of mind. Money and power do not create this state. So, quality of life wise, I'm pretty flippin happy, even if I do make 75% less than I did in 2008.

Richardson put himself out there as the representative, so I'm telling him as a fan to get the deal done and put my product back on the field!

Well now, since you made a statement about a generation gap I assumed you were young. Obviously I should not have done that, and I'll take it at face value that I was wrong.

And I don't know if you're super-rich or not. Your statements on all of this surprise me if you are, because they seem shallow in substance. There's so much we don't know about, and the players involved are all highly driven and successful people, of a sort that probably don't waste time on message boards when they should be working (like me).

Congratulations on working toward your MBA. I hope when you get it you'll look back on this thread and laugh. :)

[MadHatter]

Well then why would you support a guy who deliberately tanked the 2010 season and is hell bent on locking out the 2011 season? If you think his top motivation is winning, you're not paying attention.

His objective is winning LONG TERM. In creating a successful LONG TERM franchise.

Fans get too wrapped up with the SHORT TERM.

Did he take a gamble on the 2010 season that ended in disaster? Yes.

But, sometimes you take your lumps now to build something sustainable for the future.

[Cyberjag]

Did he take a gamble on the 2010 season that ended in disaster? Yes.

I wonder how many people feel that he gambled and lost, versus those who think he deliberately tanked the season to send a message.

Could be an interesting discussion. :)

[Panthers_Lover]

How do you know I'm not super rich?

Who you know and what they perceive of you is more important than ANY thing else when it comes to power and wealth. Look at any bio from a powerful wealthy individual and you will see someone that believed in them and put their faith in the fact they could make them money. Richardson had Bradshaw and Hugh McColl. That's what it takes.

This has nothing to do with you or me. Why does it matter how much power or money either of us have? This is a discussion board and I'm simply discussing what I believe it takes to get the NFL product back on the field.

If you want to measure tax brackets with me, then you're about 2 years too late. I'm retired and currently go to school to obtain an MBA that I'll never use but simply want, i run a consulting firm that consists of me and a partner and we have just a handful of contracts, I run a nonprofit skateboarding team for my boys called Way Truth Life, I live on the beach in FL for the last 5 years but still go to Panthers games when I can and I wear their gear every Sunday while sitting in a packed full restaurant and I'm the ONLY Panthers fan there, I surf as often as the waves will allow it. I could go on, but the point is, success and happiness are a state of mind. Money and power do not create this state. So, quality of life wise, I'm pretty flippin happy, even if I do make 75% less than I did in 2008.

Richardson put himself out there as the representative, so I'm telling him as a fan to get the deal done and put my product back on the field!

You severely underestimate/misrepresent Mr. Richardson's business abilities. You make it sound like he merely road Charlie Bradshaw and Hugh McColl's coattails, which is very, very far from the truth.

Also, he did not "put himself out there as the representative" ... he was elected/appointed by the owners to represent them all.

[riddel]

I wonder how many people feel that he gambled and lost, versus those who think he deliberately tanked the season to send a message.

Could be an interesting discussion. :)

Way to fish.

He tanked it not because he didn't want to win, but because he needed to clear the high dollar contracts out of the way, before negotiating a CBA. What credibility would he have if he was one of the owners spending millions during an uncapped season. FYI, the teams that spent the most, where the ones in the playoffs.

I'm not cool with that as a fan. Players aren't cool with that based on their 3.5 year NFL life expectancy and the coaches weren't cool with it because they were burned at the stake.

[pantherclaw]

Ya don't have to be in love with richardson.

Love how all the attackers instantly say ya gotta be in bed with richardson to not diss him every chance they get.

Guess that shows how little understanding there really is in the younger crowd.

[Panthro]

His objective is winning LONG TERM. In creating a successful LONG TERM franchise.

Fans get too wrapped up with the SHORT TERM.

Did he take a gamble on the 2010 season that ended in disaster? Yes.

But, sometimes you take your lumps now to build something sustainable for the future.

I've said it before but if he doesn't think his team can compete for a Superbowl, in any given year, he should do what it takes to field that team or he has cheated us the fans. short term/long term it doesn't matter.

[csx]

I don't blindly support Richardson but I certainly don't jump to conclusions either. Given that it was time to move on with a new coaching staff and the CBA threat was looming....what realistically do you do for the long term health of your franchise? I'm thinking he believed he needed to take the risk of a bad year in order to ensure the best chances in the future. I don't know whats so hard to understand about that. I'm certain he would have fired Fox if the CBA issue wasn't coming up.