Name the QB these comments are being made about

[Captain Obvious]

THE George Blanda?

[Mother Grabber]

I thought this was going to start a series of bring back Jake threads.

[Wither]

I thought this was going to start a series of bring back Jake threads.

I thought the comments might end up being about Jake until I saw what they were. :p

[setzer2030]

"I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days."

--ESPN's Todd McShay

Randy Fasani

[Cat'sGrowl]

Only when they cap moronic posting like yours.

I would give up my posting rights for a year if it meant never having to read another one of your stupid threads.

[Mother Grabber]

I would give up my posting rights for a year if it meant never having to read another one of your stupid threads.

That's easy...don't open it.

[rodeo]

Funny, I could swear the said the same about Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol and now Cam Newton. Hummm...

when will fans realize these guys aren't going to win you superbowls? Sure they are fun to watch just like Doug Flutie, but they aren't going to win you superbowls and as a fan, superbowl wins are all I care about.

why don't you just get Jerry Richardson to win a Super Bowl? the players don't matter.

[teeray]

"I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days."

--ESPN's Todd McShay

(*)is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

Jon Gruden:

“The workout * had was Star Wars. It was unbelievable.”

Mike Mayock, NFL Network:

“This year, I can’t get over how good and talented (*) is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million … From a physical skill set perspective, I’ve never seen a college quarterback with more ability than (*). You put the tape on and it’s frightening. The only thing that’s going to keep (*) from being great is him. What it comes down to is you’ve got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be.”

Every one of those guys are dead on. There is one reason why Russell isn't a top 5 QB right now.

Jamarcus Russell. He put ZERO work in.

Nobody to this point has questioned Cam's work ethic. Evidenced by the way he did nothing but improve the entire year to the point that he was more of threat with his arm than his feet the last 6 games.

Also there has been a lot of that same hyperbole about Andrew Luck Should we have passed on him too??

In the past there was this type of hype around Peyton Manning, Mike Vick, Carson Palmer, etc. Why are those guys not the examples that you used??

This argument is stupid. His workout was SO GOOD we shouldn't draft him. Remember Jamarcus Russell. Let's wait till some one has a less impressive workout so we feel a little better. What?!?!?

Dumbest thread ever!!!

[TheWiz]

Since Jamarcus Russell is clearly not in this draft... This entire thread is irrelevant.

[rayzor]

how about this one?

He is a drop back passer who, like in the Fiesta Bowl, can throw any pass in the book when he has his mechanics in sync. However, he at times will not be in sync and will let passes sail on him; thus he needs to work on his consistency and becoming a more accurate passer. He has good but not great arm strength, which allows him to be very good on the short and intermediate routes but only average on the deep balls. [He] is a very smart individual, both on and off the field. He is competitive and a natural leader. He has had a knack of bringing his team back to victory late in the game. He is an athletic quarterback who can make things happen with his feet. [He] has done a better job this year of not locking onto his primary receiver and finding his second and third options.

or this one?

Perhaps the top quarterback in college football during the 20?? season � a fantastic athlete with an NFL-caliber arm � mixes a powerfully built frame with an ability to remain agile in the pocket � a great natural athlete who runs well and can make big plays through the air and on the ground � throws the deep ball extremely well � was as important to his team�s fortunes as anyone, evidenced by the fact that he led the nation in points responsible for � can always find the open receiver, even if he has to check off to his third or fourth target

or this...

[This QB] is a mobile quarterback with good quickness, agility, and awareness. He has a solid throwing motion, and he displayed fantastic accuracy completing 68% of his passes his senior year. He has the athletic ability to be a threat running the ball as well as throwing it. [He] is also a very intelligent quarterback who reads defenses well and makes good, quick decisions. He has a tremendous work ethic on the field as well as in the film room, and he displays good leadership qualities.

The junior from ??? doesn't possess the strongest arm in the draft and might fit best in a West Coast style of offense, but he can make all the throws to be successful in the NFL, and he remains accurate when he's on the run. He has good, quick footwork, sound mechanics, and a high release point.

or...

Strengths: Elite frame with excellent height and in great condition ... No questions about arm strength; shows elite arm strength on 15- to 20-yard stick throws (outs, posts) ... Uses nice touch and throws a catchable ball ... Can throw the ball on the run ... Very low interception percentage from sophomore to junior year; Solid decision maker ... Nice footwork and has a quick drop ... Outstanding feel for the pass rush ... Great mobility and can gain yardage with his feet ... Extremely high upside.

or...

This QB has a very similar body type to [some other QB]. He's tall and stands with poise. He moves well around the pocket and his patience allows plays to fully develop. He has speed and can be a threat on the ground if necessary, but also like [that other QB], prefers to work with his arm rather than his feet. His arm is as good as they come (just ask the MLB team that drafted him). He throws a great deep ball but more importantly, the majority of his passes have touch, making it easy for his receivers to pick up yardage after the catch.

Often forgotten is that [He] has been under the microscope since high school. In 20?? he was featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated as one the nations top young quarterbacks. Thus far he is unphased by the spotlight. He doesn't make the mind-bending mistakes that most young QBs tend to when under pressure. His calm and confident nature is the keystone to success as a QB in the NFL.

or...

When a stat-line of 289 for 467 (61.9%) for 3,426 yards and 37 touchdowns to just seven interceptions doesn't live up to expectations, you know that much is required of the player in question. For [this guy], that's what comes with the territory of being a four-year starting quarterback at [his school]. [The QB] clearly had an outstanding senior season, but he did not win the Heisman as he was favored in the preseason to do and he did not assert himself as the clear-cut top overall pick in the 20?? NFL Draft. Of course, ... quarterback [other QB in draft] is more to blame for that development than [this QB] himself. [He] has great size and arm strength, although both assets pale in comparison to those of [the other QB]. He is also a natural leader and a very smart quarterback who rarely makes poor decisions. [He] is also tough to bring down. What gets [him] in trouble is defenses who put a lot of pressure on him, as [some school] was able to do in the Sugar Bowl. He should be one of the first two picks in the draft, but if both [1st picking team and [2nd picking team] bypass him, [he] could endure a minor plunge down the board.

or...

A four year starter on a dreadful SEC team, [this QB] was the one shining star. He was the 20?? SEC Offensive Player of the Year as well as 20?? SEC Player of the Year. In addition he was a finalist for the Unitas Golden Arm Award.

He has a very high completion percentage in all four years with his highest being 61% in 20??. He is a very mobile quarterback drawing comparisons to a bigger Jeff Garcia. He threw for 21 touchdowns this season with only 9 interceptions. He has become arguably the best quarterback in [his school's] history.

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He is a big body with very mobile feet and great field awareness. He is a pro-type quarterback with the ability to break off long runs when the passing game breaks down.

He did not have great players around to make his stats better so his numbers are all the result of his great play.

or

BIO: Three-year starter who totaled 64%/2,406/19/4 in eight games last season before fracturing his ankle. Junior numbers included 59.9%/2,548/22/10.

POSITIVES: High-percentage thrower who is best in the short passing game. Sells ball fakes, patient in the pocket and displays an excellent sense of timing. Consistently looks downfield, knows where his receivers are on the field and hits targets as they leave breaks. Finds the safety, displays excellent pocket awareness and very accurate in the short field. Does not wilt under pressure or make poor decisions. Throws with a fluid, over-the-top delivery.

or

POSITIVES: Big-armed pocket passer with the ability to grow into a franchise quarterback. Sets up to deliver the ball with solid footwork, stands strong in the pocket and smart. Sells the ball fakes, scans the field and consistently finds the open pass-catcher. Senses the rush yet buys as much time as possible, waiting for the last second before releasing the ball. Rarely panics, in complete control of the offense and a true leader behind center. Natural looking off the safety, throws with a fluid over delivery and possesses a big arm. Drives deep passes downfield, puts zip on the intermediate routes as well as velocity on all his throws. Throws tight spirals and beautifully arches deep throws. Leads receivers over the middle and very accurate. Gets outside tackle and accurate passing on the move. Does not make poor decisions and always working to make positive plays.

NEGATIVES: A pocket passer with marginal mobility and cannot escape the rush. Must improve his downfield accuracy as well as the placement of the outs. Majority of snaps are taken out of the shotgun.

ANALYSIS: A high-character prospect well liked and respected, Roethlisberger is gifted both physically and intellectually. Possesses the skills a franchise can build their team around for a winning future. May not offer early returns but has more upside potential than any other signal-caller in this draft.

i could go on and on, but the point is...what scouts say about a player heading into the draft doesn't indicate success one way or the other. they get it right just as much as they get it wrong. to say that someone is going to succeed or fail because their scout report sounds a lot like someone else's scouting report who succeeded or failed is the result of weak thinking.

[panthers55]

So if we should shy away from greatly athletic quarterbacks because they are all flash and can't win a superbowl then we should probably look at superbowl winning quarterbacks and pick some with all those qualities.

One problem is that if you look at the last 10 years and the guys who lead them to the Superbowl you get a total mismash of skills and abilities and attributes. The second one is that teams win superbowls not individuals. I doubt anyone would say Marino was a poor quarterback because he never won a Superbowl. Maybe it was the team and not him that won the Superbowl.

But beyond that, quarterbacks who win a Superbowl play well when the pressure is on and want the ball in their hands in the big game. They show tremendous leadership skills and will their team to victory. They make the big plays when they need to.

Neither Young or Russell have shown those skills in the NFL yet they demonstrated them in college So according to your logic we should avoid all athletic guys that show great leadership skills in college because they might not be able to demonstrate the same skills in the pros.

What caused the downfall of Russell and Young? I think for Russell hiis mistake was working hard for his dream but not knowing what to do once it was realized. He got the big payday, starter status and everything he wanted. But he didn't have a burning desire to make it in the pros and become one of the best. He was satisfied being there and didn't put in the work and effort to get better.

Young for his part had success in his rookie year making the pro-bowl but when things didn't go his way couldn't handle the criticism and subsequent demotion to Collins. He rebounded in 2009 but struggled again in 2010. Inconsistent, fragile, moody, a head case.

How this relates to Newton I suppose is that because he is an athletic, hardworking guy with great leadership skills we need to make sure he has a plan to be the best, and takes criticism and coaching well. Then he could avoid the pitfalls which caused Russell's demise and is hampering Young.

I hope we find out at the combine but given the results of his working with Roethlisburger's coach Cam seems able to learn quickly, takes coaching well and has a strong will to be the best he can be. We won't be signing him to a 70 million contract since we won't sign him until the CBA is signed and a rookie cap is in place. So his big contract would be 3 or 4 years down the road giving us time to evaluate him and gives him all the motivation in the world to get better so he can cash in a few years.

Then again this is the Panthers, a team that arguably has never had a franchise quarterback. The closest was Beuerlein's 2 year run and Jake's three year run between 2003 and 2006. Since he seems to have all the characteristics he needs for success, you're probably right, he is likely to be a bust. Just like Clausen last year.

[monstercat]

I wonder what the scouts and draft gurus had to say about Kurt Warner, because he was passed up by every team in every round and ended up being a Super Bowl MVP.

Who knew they could get it wrong sometimes?

[mav1234]

All I take away from those things is not to get hyped about what you see in a workout exactly but instead take a look at the guy's entire body of work...

...and that sometimes, no matter how great a guy looks on paper or how few warning sings you've had, physical talent can only carry someone so far. At some point they have to put in the work.

[monstercat]

All I take away from those things is not to get hyped about what you see in a workout exactly but instead take a look at the guy's entire body of work...

...and that sometimes, no matter how great a guy looks on paper or how few warning sings you've had, physical talent can only carry someone so far. At some point they have to put in the work.

I agree, and that's just as true for Andrew Luck as it is for Cam Newton. It sure does seem like Cam has to go out of his way to prove he's willing to work hard though, while people just take it for granted that Luck will work his butt off. Why is that? There is no evidence whatsover that Newton is lazy when it comes to working to be a better football player.