Mayock says Fairley is not top DT talent in the draft class...

[g5jamz]

I know everybody is on the dogged the EB pick but I caution that we give him 1 more year 2 bulk up before we call him a total bust.

Jeff Otah is worth a #1 IF he can stay healthy.

EB wasn't worth a 1st round pick

Armanti is not worth a 2nd round pick.

1st round picks are supposed to be no-brainers. Development shouldn't be a condition of that pick IMO. That starts late round 2 and beyond.

[teeray]

Jeff Otah is worth a #1 IF he can stay healthy.

EB wasn't worth a 1st round pick

Armanti is not worth a 2nd round pick.

1st round picks are supposed to be no-brainers. Development shouldn't be a condition of that pick IMO. That starts late round 2 and beyond.

Maycock loves to go against the conventional wisdom. That is fine but he does it and when he is right he jerks himself off to it. He uses it to show everyone how smart he is. Nevermind more often than not he is wrong.

See Jamarcus Russell. He loves to pat himself on the back on that one. Only problem is that it wasn't Russell's abilities that failed him, it was himself. But Maycock loves to tell you he nailed it!!

[nosuchthingasapanther]

people will find that as the draft draws closer, dareus's stock will rise...so to speak.

dareus has always been projected as a top 10 draft pick...and it would be a shock if he fell out of the top 5.

...and this has been the consensus since he came into college.

people who don't think dareus is impressive don't understand the role of his position. he's been playing like a top nfl veteran long before fairley even knew how to abbreviate defensive tackle.

just because you don't see highlight material of him on a consistent basis, doesn't mean he isn't at a certain level.

he is the best in this draft class, and second to only suh in his college career.

[rayzor]

Q: who did mayock think was the best DT last year?

A: gerald mccoy...yes, over the boy named suh.

[JawnyBlaze]

I would argue development could be a rational condition starting around pick 11 (when the big money starts falling off), variable depending on how strong the draft class is. I would definitely say it starts no later than #33. There aren't often 32+ surefire NFL starters in a draft class...I'd say closer to 20 at most (including surprise late round picks)

Jeff Otah is worth a #1 IF he can stay healthy.

EB wasn't worth a 1st round pick

Armanti is not worth a 2nd round pick.

1st round picks are supposed to be no-brainers. Development shouldn't be a condition of that pick IMO. That starts late round 2 and beyond.

[panthers55]

Jeff Otah is worth a #1 IF he can stay healthy.

EB wasn't worth a 1st round pick

Armanti is not worth a 2nd round pick.

1st round picks are supposed to be no-brainers. Development shouldn't be a condition of that pick IMO. That starts late round 2 and beyond.

First round picks for the most part need development whether they are number 1 or number 20. Obviously the higher in the draft they go the more talent and ability they may have but it still takes tiime to develop. Some positions such as running back need quite a bit less development while others such as D line and quarterback need quite a bit more. It really depends on the position more so than whether they were picked in the top 10 or later on.

Very few DTs or DEs really shine their first year. Yes there are exceptions but for every Suh there are others like an Ellis who need time to develop and refine their technique.

Quarterback is the position which requires the most development. People have been spoiled by the success of Ryan and a few others to think that the Qb is supposed to come in and shine right away. However that is still the exception rather than the rule. Teams and need to draft for talent and potential and allow the players to develop. If their career is supposed to be 8-10 years for a first rounder then waiting a year or even two still gives you plenty of time to reap the benefits of selecting them.

[jks85]

I would argue development could be a rational condition starting around pick 11 (when the big money starts falling off), variable depending on how strong the draft class is. I would definitely say it starts no later than #33. There aren't often 32+ surefire NFL starters in a draft class...I'd say closer to 20 at most (including surprise late round picks)

not for a team w/as many holes as we have

edit: would have to be a historically poor class, not only lacking in talent w/upside but also lacking people who could contribute immediately but possessed lower ceilings (than their counterparts). very few drafts lack both types of players

[rayzor]

First round picks for the most part need development whether they are number 1 or number 20. Obviously the higher in the draft they go the more talent and ability they may have but it still takes tiime to develop. Some positions such as running back need quite a bit less development while others such as D line and quarterback need quite a bit more. It really depends on the position more so than whether they were picked in the top 10 or later on.

Very few DTs or DEs really shine their first year. Yes there are exceptions but for every Suh there are others like an Ellis who need time to develop and refine their technique.

Quarterback is the position which requires the most development. People have been spoiled by the success of Ryan and a few others to think that the Qb is supposed to come in and shine right away. However that is still the exception rather than the rule. Teams and need to draft for talent and potential and allow the players to develop. If their career is supposed to be 8-10 years for a first rounder then waiting a year or even two still gives you plenty of time to reap the benefits of selecting them.

this is something that, as i have been reminded frequently, rivera has made a point of. he doesn't like that there is so much pressure on a rookie QB to produce.

so why would the standard or expectation be different of someone drafted #1 overall or even in the first round?

i do think it's best that they get in the game as early as possibl, but i don't exactly expect them to shine. i expect to see them put in a safe situation with a safe gameplan for them that takes the pressure off them. i expect to see growth and improvement in their ability. i expect them to be able to take the team down the field, to grow in confidence in the huddle taking command of the offense.

if newton is drafted first overall...which is likely...don't expect the team to spend much time on another project like clausen or, esp. pike. don't expect them to invest time in moore either. newton will be the priority on that team and everything will be geared towards making him a succcess.

[Delhommey]

Q: who did mayock think was the best DT last year?

A: gerald mccoy...yes, over the boy named suh.

Thank you.

[rayzor]

Thank you.

i was wondering if anyone caught that mccoy had suh behind mccoy last year

mccoy is pne of the better draftniks out there, but every year heproves that he isn't infallible. no one should take his rankings or projections as gospel.