JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[Sam Mills Fan]

Come on people. FA's are going to go where the money is, just like they always have. And when was the last time you heard one of Jerry's players complain about him, even after they left here?

He only had the heart transplant a couple of years ago, so it's not like we have a wide sample of players to choose from. Even still, Peppers said after he signed with the Bears that he was disappointed with the way the Panthers FO was going in preparing for the lockout. And Chris Harris spoke up when he was actually still on the team...and was promptly traded. (We traded an All-Pro safety for a fifth-string injured linebacker in a trade almost as dumb as the Armanti one that doesn't get nearly enough recognition for its stupidity, but that's another matter.)

[unicar15]

These owners are businessmen, meaning they aren't going to play nice in the boardroom if that means embarrassing their competition then they do it. I just thank God that he said this to Peyton Manning and not Michael Vick because you the freaking NAACP would be all over it if that was the case. The players are morons IMO. I am so damn sick of hearing bitching and moaning over two extra games and health care etc...Give me a freaking break. These are not union workers for the DOT these are freaking professional athletes that make more in 5 years than 99% of us make in a lifetime. GET OVER IT and go play your little game.

[mountainpantherfan]

The majority of fans and players are clueless when it comes to business.

Just for the record,

REVENUES AND PROFIT ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

For whatever reason everyone wants talk about revenue and just ignores expenses. You also have to take into accound cash flow and future capital investments. The players, Manning, Brees and Feely, they don't understand this side of business or they don't care. They want to make as much money now as possible based only on the revenue and THEY don't care what that does to the team, the league or money for future players.

So, to all of those who are siding with the players, are you okay with the players making 50% of the REVENUES even if that means the Panthers are probably not going to be a team or not a team in NC in 10 years? If you care about the future of you team, realize that the NFLPA doesn't care. They only care about making money for the players now. They do not have any loyalty or concern for players to make money in the future.

I'm not saying the owners are 100% in the right. But if you think that what the players are fighting for is anything other than their own pockets, you're kidding yourself.

[Sam Mills Fan]

They WANT to play the game. There's no danger of a strike. It's the owners that are to blame. They're the ones that are going to initiate this lockout.

And you talk about the players making more in 5 years than we do in a lifetime. Just how much money do you think Paul Allen and Jerry Jones make in 5 years compared to what your middle-of-the-road NFL player will make in a lifetime? Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and is worth $12.7 billion. *sniff sniff* I...I...I just feel so sorry for Paul Allen. *sniff* Poor guy *sniff* with *sniff* part of his revenue going to the players. HOW WILL PAUL ALLEN BE ABLE TO FEED HIS CHILDREN PEOPLE??? WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

[theyhateme45]

These owners are businessmen, meaning they aren't going to play nice in the boardroom if that means embarrassing their competition then they do it. I just thank God that he said this to Peyton Manning and not Michael Vick because you the freaking NAACP would be all over it if that was the case. The players are morons IMO. I am so damn sick of hearing bitching and moaning over two extra games and health care etc...Give me a freaking break. These are not union workers for the DOT these are freaking professional athletes that make more in 5 years than 99% of us make in a lifetime. GET OVER IT and go play your little game.

This post is wrong on so many levels.... Though I tend to side with the owners you are well off base... I don't even think this post is worthy enough to explain to you why.

[Sam Mills Fan]

MPF, so you don't think the owners are fighting for their money too? Money that DWARFS what even guys like Peppers and Manning make?

I'm not denying that players are greedy. We all are. But the owners are some of the greediest in America. The NFL is in one of the best business states of any organization in the country and they're in absolutely no danger of that changing.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Here's an interesting fact about the Panthers. Did you know that the value of the team has more than doubled in just the past 10 years? Forbes estimated the value of the Panthers to be $513 million in 2000, $1.049 billion in 2009.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html

Also, look at those other charts. Yearly revenue has also almost doubled in that time frame at the same time that player expenses has doubled. There is no reason for a lockout, especially not one being led by Jerry Richardson.

[Urrymonster]

Okay, so What was said before.... Do you remember what was said before JR went off on his pie chart rant during his press conference?

Some people have gone a bit over the top with the pie chart, but nevertheless it was a 'short' response about a topic that wasn't really a part of the press conference, so I can see why he was frustrated with the question. Was he rude? Yeah, kinda, but I don't really have an issue with that because I didn't really understand why those were the questions being fired at him. If it were a NFL owners press conference then sure, but this was specifically about the coaching changes and the future of the Panthers.

Manning and Brees Can't read a revenue chart... First I don't think they are clueless individuals, also JR wanted everyone to understand his little pie chart during his press conference... so what does that say?

I am not assuming anything, because I don't know. Everyone who is presuming JR responded in a disrespectful way without knowing the preceding question IS. If there was a revenue chart there and they specifically asked something about it whilst it was staring them in the face, then why wouldn't you try and get leverage over someone by pointing out that they didn't know what they were talking about?

Again, the pie chart was just a simple representation of how much players actually get of the NFL's revenue. Surprisingly not everyone actually knows this, nor how the NFL works financially. Was it rude? See my previous comment.

Also that was not a released statement... it was him simply talking about one comment the players felt was inappropriate for negotiations... I did not hear him singling out the other owners, and comments they made... just JR.

That was the ONLY thing he said. He also scoffed when the interviewer said that 'apparently the owners might of walked out'. Feely then confirmed that ALL the owners walked out. Yet, what the NFLPA haven't made clear is how long it took to get to that point, obviously there was some discussion otherwise Brees and Manning wouldn't have been brought into it. Regardless the owners ALL left.

Like I said before, I believe that is how it went down for the simple fact of JR's recent pattern of behavior.

Recent pattern of behaviour? He has always been a brash individual who ran impeccable business' because he knows how to do it. The only thing you have noticed is that he has given interviews and you have finally seen his impatience with people who 'don't know what they are talking about'.

All those wetting their pants about FA, just calm down a second. Look at the unbridled love and respect Steve Smith has for JR. Steve is an impatient, competitive and emotional as they get, yet he doesn't get his feelings hurt by JR, nor the way he does business.

What people need to appreciate is that the NFLPA are banking that the public perception will have a financial impact on the owners as they 'win over' the viewers.

What must be stressed is that Feely, freely recognised that Green Bay were obviously starting to lose money, with their profit halving every season.

[theyhateme45]

The majority of fans and players are clueless when it comes to business.

Just for the record,

REVENUES AND PROFIT ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

For whatever reason everyone wants talk about revenue and just ignores expenses. You also have to take into accound cash flow and future capital investments. The players, Manning, Brees and Feely, they don't understand this side of business or they don't care. They want to make as much money now as possible based only on the revenue and THEY don't care what that does to the team, the league or money for future players.

So, to all of those who are siding with the players, are you okay with the players making 50% of the REVENUES even if that means the Panthers are probably not going to be a team or not a team in NC in 10 years? If you care about the future of you team, realize that the NFLPA doesn't care. They only care about making money for the players now. They do not have any loyalty or concern for players to make money in the future.

I'm not saying the owners are 100% in the right. But if you think that what the players are fighting for is anything other than their own pockets, you're kidding yourself.

Well you are missing one... There 3 key terms not 2 for the NFL... Total Revenue, All Revenue, and profits.

I actually do believe players like manning and brady understand.... The NFL is saying our profits are going down, we don't have capital to expand and build more stadiums. Thus we need more credits off of All Revenue, which will lower total revenue... We'll still give you 60% of that, but it comes up to be less than 50% of all Revenue.

So the players are saying fine... you're profits are down, you lack capital for expansion prove it! Show me! If you prove to me what your saying is true then we will negotiate. But we're not going to make financial concessions based off of what you say your books are in good faith

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[Urrymonster]

Here's an interesting fact about the Panthers. Did you know that the value of the team has more than doubled in just the past 10 years? Forbes estimated the value of the Panthers to be $513 million in 2000, $1.049 billion in 2009.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html

Also, look at those other charts. Yearly revenue has also almost doubled in that time frame at the same time that player expenses has doubled. There is no reason for a lockout, especially not one being led by Jerry Richardson.

Here is an interesting fact. Costs increase yearly with every business unless they are doing mass cutbacks.

Another fact. Assests such as stadiums and commodity value will likely be included int hose statistics.

[Urrymonster]

Well you are missing one... There 3 key terms not 2 for the NFL... Total Revenue, All Revenue, and profits.

I actually do believe players like manning and brady understand.... The NFL is saying our profits are going down, we don't have capital to expand and build more stadiums. Thus we need more credits off of All Revenue, which will lower total revenue... We'll still give you 60% of that, but it comes up to be less than 50% of all Revenue.

So the players are saying fine... you're profits are down, you lack capital for expansion prove it! Show me! If you prove to me what your saying is true then we will negotiate. But we're not going to make financial concessions based off of what you say your books are in good faith

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They have full access to Green Bay's books as they are a public company. They are seeing their profits halve every year. Whilst small market, they are one of the most well supported teams there is. What more do you need???

[theyhateme45]

Some people have gone a bit over the top with the pie chart, but nevertheless it was a 'short' response about a topic that wasn't really a part of the press conference, so I can see why he was frustrated with the question. Was he rude? Yeah, kinda, but I don't really have an issue with that because I didn't really understand why those were the questions being fired at him. If it were a NFL owners press conference then sure, but this was specifically about the coaching changes and the future of the Panthers.

I am not assuming anything, because I don't know. Everyone who is presuming JR responded in a disrespectful way without knowing the preceding question IS. If there was a revenue chart there and they specifically asked something about it whilst it was staring them in the face, then why wouldn't you try and get leverage over someone by pointing out that they didn't know what they were talking about?

Again, the pie chart was just a simple representation of how much players actually get of the NFL's revenue. Surprisingly not everyone actually knows this, nor how the NFL works financially. Was it rude? See my previous comment.

That was the ONLY thing he said. He also scoffed when the interviewer said that 'apparently the owners might of walked out'. Feely then confirmed that ALL the owners walked out. Yet, what the NFLPA haven't made clear is how long it took to get to that point, obviously there was some discussion otherwise Brees and Manning wouldn't have been brought into it. Regardless the owners ALL left.

Recent pattern of behaviour? He has always been a brash individual who ran impeccable business' because he knows how to do it. The only thing you have noticed is that he has given interviews and you have finally seen his impatience with people who 'don't know what they are talking about'.

All those wetting their pants about FA, just calm down a second. Look at the unbridled love and respect Steve Smith has for JR. Steve is an impatient, competitive and emotional as they get, yet he doesn't get his feelings hurt by JR, nor the way he does business.

What people need to appreciate is that the NFLPA are banking that the public perception will have a financial impact on the owners as they 'win over' the viewers.

What must be stressed is that Feely, freely recognised that Green Bay were obviously starting to lose money, with their profit halving every season.

I respect your opinion and your argument, I just have a different perception on JR actions recently.

[Urrymonster]

Here is something that probably rings quite close to the truth.

The owners likely don't want their books opened as it will likely show that 'overall' the NFL is doing fine, however that it is mainly supported by the revenue sharing of the massive teams such as the Cowboys.

Now, any team, should be able to balance their books without the aid of other teams. That is pretty sensible economics. However as the NFL employs revenue sharing the players will see it as a non issue that the smaller market teams are struggling to stay in the black.

So the owners are doing the sensible thing by trying to make each team self sustaining, however as the NFL is ok as a complete business opening the books will only bring more confusion and ammunition for the NFLPA.

[theyhateme45]

They have full access to Green Bay's books as they are a public company. They are seeing their profits halve every year. Whilst small market, they are one of the most well supported teams there is. What more do you need???

1 team does not represent 32. You cannot and should not make such HUGE financial decision and changes based on using 1/32 of data to reflect the full 100%.

It can be argued that since Green Bay is publicly owned there is less incentive to make more and more $$$ vs owners of the other 31 who has major incentive to maximize their profits.... For that reason alone green bay is an anomaly to the sample that should not be used to reflect the whole sample population.