JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[MadHatter]

Not exactly :)

Usuaully, I would err on the side of liberty and privacy. But we live in an era where billion dollar corporations which are ignored by the SEC end up being freakish nightmares:

real monopolies(Mama Bell)

economic shell games(Enron)

too-big-to-fail scams(AIG)

bottomless vortexes of defaulted debt(Fannie May)

inefficient public bailout projects(GM)

I am all for erring on the side of individual privacy and liberty, but when it comes to multi-billion dollar corporations that have isolated their market, that are publically underwritten by virtue of their tax exemptions, occasionally exercise emminent domain against other private land owners, etc etc etc, I err on the side of the public's right to know.

If they don't want to disclose that kind of data, NO PROBLEM!!!!

Simply remove the public's right to know by removing the public's sponsorship of their business: refuse to give NFL teams tax exemptions, refuse their use of emminent domain, refuse to let them do exclusive merchandising deals(already done this year), etc. etc. etc.

:smash:

I understand your point. However, the issue is that these are NOT public companies. The SEC is in place to police publically owned companies because individuals rely on their financial data and information to invest funds in said companies. These are are privately owned organziations. And, the public has absolutely no right now entitlement to see what these organizations make.

[mountainpantherfan]

You're the moron that doesn't understand the meaning of words....

Operating profit of $15 million does NOT include taxes (I never said it did) and it also does NOT include subsidiary gains such as sponsors, naming rights, ect. ect.....The $15 million is a guestimate by Forbes (my link added on page 6 or something) and only that...only Richardson knows what the final profits are.

Here, make sure you read this before you respond again...thanks

Definition of SUBSIDIARY

1a : furnishing aid or support : auxiliary <subsidiary details> b : of secondary importance <a subsidiary stream>

2: of, relating to, or constituting a subsidy <a subsidiary payment to an ally>

That was pretty pathetic. That's really your best response?

Your definition stated that subsidiary gains such as the sell of an asset or the closing of a factory were examples of expenses not included in Operating Profit but that included in Operating Profit was anything that was seen as a annual income or expense.

Maybe in your made up world sponorships and naming rights occur as happenstance without plan or timelines but in the real world these types of deals are apart of the normal operation and would be included in any report on operating profit.

And for the record you were the one trying to use this report as proof to what the Panthers profit margins were. I've always trusted what JR said.

[PanthersGuy28]

He's an idiot, they said that everytime he speaks up in a meeting people just cringe, say the commish and everyone is sick of him. Gosh he has lost it.

[mountainpantherfan]

Here is what's next. The NLRB will require the owners to open the books, due to their duty to furnish information.

When an employer claims financial inability to meet a union wage demand, the financial information of the employer's company becomes relevant. The Supreme Court held that if such a claim by the employer is importan enough to be made at the table, it REQUIRES some proof of its accuracy. Refusal to grant wage increases because the employer claims it could not stay competitive or would lose the profit margin was held by the board to invoke finacial inability. Therefore, financial data become relevant.

It's all going to come out sooner or later, the owners should go ahead and get the books ready....:banghead:

I just want it noted this is Riddel's opinion and in no way fact as he would like for others to believe.

The courts can just as likely rule that the financial information from Green Bay is "some proof of it's accuracy..." And before you say it's not a large enough sampling, thats for the NLRB to decide, not you.

By the way, you haven't been on here that long and your comments really started me thinking. I really think you are actually a mole planted by the NFLPA as a tatic to try and sway fans opinions in favor of the players. I could see the union trying to do this...pay some MBA students money to just sit on NFL team's message boards and use text books to try and prove the players' points.

And the way you say things that are so obvious as being opinion but you present it as fact reeks of the ploy the NFLPA has used this entire process. Might just have my foil hat on too tight but I really can't for the life of me see an average fan being as blindlessly supportive of the players the way you are when you no doubt have some intellegence...unless your wallet is getting filled to be so.

[twylyght]

I just want it noted this is Riddel's opinion and in no way fact as he would like for others to believe.

The courts can just as likely rule that the financial information from Green Bay is "some proof of it's accuracy..." And before you say it's not a large enough sampling, thats for the NLRB to decide, not you.

By the way, you haven't been on here that long and your comments really started me thinking. I really think you are actually a mole planted by the NFLPA as a tatic to try and sway fans opinions in favor of the players. I could see the union trying to do this...pay some MBA students money to just sit on NFL team's message boards and use text books to try and prove the players' points.

And the way you say things that are so obvious as being opinion but you present it as fact reeks of the ploy the NFLPA has used this entire process. Might just have my foil hat on too tight but I really can't for the life of me see an average fan being as blindlessly supportive of the players the way you are when you no doubt have some intellegence...unless your wallet is getting filled to be so.

I think it is more likely that he is like any other kid with newfound knowledge wanting to educate the world and bring it to his "enlightened understanding".

It would be a nightmare for a company to open its books to the public, but I would like to see the public's collective faces when they see just how much money it takes to run an organization like the NFL. Then again, they may play like the NBA fans and simply claim that the numbers are fabricated.

[mountainpantherfan]

I understand your point. However, the issue is that these are NOT public companies. The SEC is in place to police publically owned companies because individuals rely on their financial data and information to invest funds in said companies. These are are privately owned organziations. And, the public has absolutely no right now entitlement to see what these organizations make.

I really wish the owners would ask every player to "open their books" and prove why they need that much of a raise every year.

Again, it's a catch 22 for the players. They don't want to be seen as just employees but they also don't want to be seen as businesses. They want the best of both worlds and none of the risk.

[ncbobcat]

Yep, the players are trying to pad their bank accounts in the hopes that they can "float" once they are out of the League. Of course, most of these guys are so horrible at finance that they don't figure out a few million dollars will last very long in a millionaire's lifestyle once the inflow has dried up. Many of these cats never finish school and are actually BEHIND the proverbial '8-ball' once they hang up the shoulder pads and hit the real world. They are just postponing the hardship by wanting a bigger chunk of the NFL pie. It must suck working 40+ hours a week! Geez........

[Panthers_Lover]

Well, if you know him, then you should tell him he needs a PR rep. and a great deal of training when addressing the public. Most Panthers fans will support him blindly, but there are those of us that won't support these types of actions and I can assure you that the other 31 teams fans are going to hate Mr. Richardson before this is over. He has set himself up as the fall guy and all the NFL fans hate will be heading his way if this deal doesn't get done.

Richardson is being painted by the media and players as a guy who doesn't want a deal done and is still pissed over the labor contract from 2006.....

He has very good PR support and advice, so I'm not worried about that. You're in the minority, so I'm not worried about that either.

During tough business negotiations like these, somebody has to be the "bad guy," and JJR is quite willing to do that. The owners support him, so the fans of all 32 franchises will have to accept that.

[riddel]

The owners support him, so the fans of all 32 franchises will have to accept that.

Well you see, this is the problem. They don't have to accept it. Richardson is not God and if he upsets the fan base, then he loses. Ask him what happens when he puts pickles on a hamburger when the customer doesn't want pickles....nah don't really ask him that...I'm kidding....but really....the customer gets a new burger....if he keeps putting those damn pickles on that burger....the customer is going to go down the street to Checkers next time!

[The Saltman]

ill wait to make my judgement on the man till after a season or 2 after a new CBA is reached. If we have to overpay for Free agents or become stubborn and not stay competitive in this league then I will have a change of heart. I just want football for peakes sakes!!

[Punisher]

I just want it noted this is Riddel's opinion and in no way fact as he would like for others to believe.

The courts can just as likely rule that the financial information from Green Bay is "some proof of it's accuracy..." And before you say it's not a large enough sampling, thats for the NLRB to decide, not you.

By the way, you haven't been on here that long and your comments really started me thinking. I really think you are actually a mole planted by the NFLPA as a tatic to try and sway fans opinions in favor of the players. I could see the union trying to do this...pay some MBA students money to just sit on NFL team's message boards and use text books to try and prove the players' points.

And the way you say things that are so obvious as being opinion but you present it as fact reeks of the ploy the NFLPA has used this entire process. Might just have my foil hat on too tight but I really can't for the life of me see an average fan being as blindlessly supportive of the players the way you are when you no doubt have some intellegence...unless your wallet is getting filled to be so.

Good theory. Join date March 2010, I guess they were paying him a year before releasing him to the world. Idiot.

[The Saltman]

chill with the name calling. agree with him or dont the guy has his right to his opinion.

[Panthers_Lover]

Well you see, this is the problem. They don't have to accept it. Richardson is not God and if he upsets the fan base, then he loses. Ask him what happens when he puts pickles on a hamburger when the customer doesn't want pickles....nah don't really ask him that...I'm kidding....but really....the customer gets a new burger....if he keeps putting those damn pickles on that burger....the customer is going to go down the street to Checkers next time!

My point is that he's not out there acting on his own ....

[riddel]

Good theory. Join date March 2010, I guess they were paying him a year before releasing him to the world. Idiot.

This is when Richardson made his famous speech to the owners.....expletive the players let's take our expletive league back!!!

LOL

I like this theory....does it mean that I get to be 20 something again? Yeah! I really like this theory!