JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[rippadonn]

JRs move looks a little selfish when revenues last year doubled expectations. He may not want the players to get more money because the NFL will be getting more money. He's trying to shut the players out of benefiting from the new popularity of the sport.

Drawing out that " we get this much and they get this much " doesn't describe the current state of the NFL, only the past business model. The new business model has sales going through the roof so his point is a bit misleading, the pie will be bigger.

The owners stand to make more than ever and by extension the players, who deserve it, stand to make more also. There is a cost mechanism in the last CBA that called a "cam" (ironically)that protects ownership from cost overrun per Moose.

Fat and wanna get even fatter of the back of the guy who does the work, sad coming from a former player. There is enough money in the pot for everybody.

[ladypanther]

Out of context from a biased perspective. He is not taking the high road, said Goodell was "lying" when he could have just said we disagree. Can't make a judgement based on this.

[Happy Panther]

Could someone paraphrase the comments? I'm mobile right now. Doesn't sound like I'll be happy.

"I wish they would sit in there and take all of the political BS aside and put it away and just go about negotiating a deal. Logical minds can sit there and come up with a deal, but when you bring in emotion you get in the way of logic.

When Jerry Richardson is the lead negotiator for the owners and he is going to criticize Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and their intelligence in our meeting on Saturday, and sit there and say dismissively to Peyton Manning 'Do i need to help you read a revenue chart, Son? Do i need to help break that down for you because I don't know if you understand how to read that?

That doesn't go anywhere to help us get a deal done"

[riddel]

Richardson the NFL player

Who would have ever thought that $250 may be the margin that separated Jerry Richardson from becoming a great player in the NFL to instead becoming one of the greatest NFL owners that the sport has known? Richardson, drafted out of Wofford College as a wide receiver in 1958 (3rd round) by the Baltimore Colts, simply asked the Colts to up his contract by $250 to $10,000 for his upcoming third season in the NFL (his touchdown reception from legendary Johnny Unitas in the 1958 championship game alone should have been worth the request). The Colts denied Richardson's request and after only two brief years (15 receptions and four touchdowns) in the league he walked away from the game, because as Richardson says, "It became a matter of principle."

This article calls it principle. His college teammate Bradshaw (not Terry) asked him to join into a restaurant venture that Bradshaw had already started called Hardees. Bradshaw used Richardson's Championship earnings to help fund this venture. Richardson became the CEO of Flagstar Cos. who manages 2500 restaurants, which today grosses $3.7 billion in annual sales.(including Denny's, El Pollo Loco chain and Quincy's Family Steakhouse among others). He brought this hardworking restaurant mentality to the NFL. He developed the PSL system which funded $120 million in stadium costs and become one the few stadium owners, who did not rely on tax dollars and I commend him for that. His charitable efforts also separated him from many other owners.

Here is my take on Richardson. He calls stubborn pride, principle. He walked away from the game he loved over $250. He only played 2 years and walked away over $250 after winning a championship! He didn't have great aspiration of becoming a restaurant mogel. A college friend needed Richardson's championship money to fund Hardees.

I do not know an NFL player alive that would do what Richardson did. Walk away from the game they love over $250! That sums it up for me. If this doesn't sum up what he did in 2010 by tanking this team over PRINCIPLE! He did nothing more than set up the owners for the CBA negotiations. This is not a love for the game of football. This is a love for the all mighty dollar!

Listen! The PSL idea was great right? Well, let's put it in perspective. By selling the fans PSL ownership rights, Richardson used the fan's money to fund his overhead costs, so the fans should have a say in the CBA negotiations as far as I'm concerned. Every PSL owner should be allowed a say! If Richardson runs the Panthers into the ground, then the PSL owners lose money. How is the PSL owner's investment being protected if Richardson runs the NFL into labor agreement impasse?

Richardson! You are a slimy hamburger flippin money grubbin business man, who had so little respect for the game, that you walked away over $250 and called it principle, when if fact, it was stupid pride!

[pnthrs]

I would love to know the whole context of this but of course we never will. I find fault in JR just based on his cranky ass hole press conference and general attitude to any differing opinion to his own. I must say though, In an intense CBA meeting I really dont think Peyton Manning or Drew Brees should even be talking about financial matters. They are not on the intelligence level of 95% of the people in that room and are just arm candy for the NFLPA.

Jerry has become (or maybe always was) a cranky old dick. It is really pissing me off. We really should not be surprised by this. He holds all the negotiating cards, has the support of all the owners, has basically turned everything to gold he touches... he acts like he isnt even on the same level as anyone else around him. I dont blame him, really but it is getting old and embarrassing.

[Kettle]

My bo cott will continue. Thanks happy panther.

[Happy Panther]

Richardson! You are a slimy hamburger flippin money grubbin business man, who had so little respect for the game, that you walked away over $250 and called it principle, when if fact, it was stupid pride!

This is interesting. Jerry seems like the type of person who would throw away next season over stubbornness.

I'm guessing that the rest of the owners are letting him negotiate right now because he is the most bullheaded and the one who is not afraid to be a condescending ass to the players.

But hopefully he gets pulled in favor of reason in the next couple weeks.

This is a show right now.

[Happy Panther]

I would love to know the whole context of this but of course we never will. I find fault in JR just based on his cranky ass hole press conference and general attitude to any differing opinion to his own. I must say though, In an intense CBA meeting I really dont think Peyton Manning or Drew Brees should even be talking about financial matters. They are not on the intelligence level of 95% of the people in that room and are just arm candy for the NFLPA.

Jerry has become (or maybe always was) a cranky old dick. It is really pissing me off. We really should not be surprised by this. He holds all the negotiating cards, has the support of all the owners, has basically turned everything to gold he touches... he acts like he isnt even on the same level as anyone else around him. I dont blame him, really but it is getting old and embarrassing.

Right.

If this were an isolated incidence maybe you could dismiss the quotes above.

But it fits right in with his persona over the last 2 years.

Maybe once the CBA gets done he will get back to the Panthers but I don't know.

[MHS831]

I think it is time for everyone to admit that we don't have enough concrete information to comprehend the complexity of the dynamics here. Part lawyer crap, part propoganda, part pokerface, part number manipulation, and all greed. The players got such a good deal in 2006 that this was inevitable.

[rippadonn]

He is determined to f**k this whole thing up.

[iamcline]

This is for you Jerry:

Bring on next year's #1 pick.

[monstercat]

I think it is time for everyone to admit that we don't have enough concrete information to comprehend the complexity of the dynamics here. Part lawyer crap, part propoganda, part pokerface, part number manipulation, and all greed. The players got such a good deal in 2006 that this was inevitable.

Agreed.

And FTR, that was not a direct quote by JR. That was a direct quote by Feeley, and we have no clue what was said before that, by whom, or in what tone or context, or whether Feeley was even 100% accurate about what JR said.

The fact is, when somebody tells their side of an argument to a third person, they almost never tell it so that it makes them look like the bad guy.

[Happy Panther]

Agreed. Not one person here can claim that they know all the details of what's going on here, or why people are saying certain things behind closed doors.

Intelligent people and grownups can use deductive reasoning and decide what is likely and what is not.

While you can't prove it happened it sure seems likely

[Floppin]

The owners made too many concessions in 2006. JR's job is to be a bullheaded, stubborn asshole in these negotiations. He was voted as the head of the owners to spearhead these negotiations, he is playing a role that the other owners put him into a position to do. He is the bad cop for the owners. If there was any serious dissension amongst the owners based on JR's stance then we would know about it. They have, up until this point appeared as a united front, and that alone should let you know where the other owners stand.