JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[carolinarolls]

So The Golden Calf of Bristol set the market in Denver huh?

There is no point in arguing with you anymore riddel. You have no clue what you are talking about and in my opinion probably do not even comprehend the opinions in your own head.

enjoy the lockout created by your whiney ass players who are ALL replaceable and will ALL eventually be replaced because the game is SOOOOOO much bigger than any player or group of players will ever be.

[csx]

RETIRE, means they don't play for another team while under contract!

Jeez......please read before you post.

Please quit this stupid slave analogy.

[panthers55]

Does a player have the right to walk away from an NFL team when he is under contract? NO

Does a player have to return the contract money if he walks? YES

Can a player who walked out of a contract go play for another NFL team? NO

Does a player face legal action if he walks out of a contract? YES

They are a slave to the contract they sign. They do not have the right to walk away. I don't know many companies that have this kind of control over a human. There are non-compete clauses, but those don't prevent you from working in your industry, only taking clients with you.

If you sign a contract for services in the private sector and recieve guaranteed money up from you can be sued, can't just walk away with no repercussions and do have to return any guaranteed money. There are contracts like record deals for example where you can't change labels or leave until your contract expires. If you leave or quit you are sued. This isn't like working at McDonalds. It is common in service contracts for the party who fails to do the work, take money and leaves excetera to be subject to being sued. The NFl also allows players that are hurt to receive their salaries even if they don't work a day. How many jobs allow that? Smitty broke his arm playing flag football not while in the league. Did he lose the money even though his injury was through his own negligence? How many folks outside of the military serve for 3 or 4 years and are guaranteed a pension for life?

Players are far from slaves and have benefits and options few if anyone else have.

[twylyght]

Television and technology used to market the NFL built the NFL into what it is today.

What school are you attending to get your MBA? Did they teach marketing there? What exactly is your specialty?

Are you saying that there is no need to market the NFL or that it wouldn't matter if it was the same as the NBA, NHL, Soccer, etc? Perhaps, there is no need to keep stadiums up to date. Maybe the staff shouldn't be trained. Maybe the physicians and lawyers that have to be paid are negligible as well. Logistics personnel, broadcasting for radio and television, technicians, vendors, branding agents, tax professionals, caterers, event coordinators, sponsor relations expenses, drivers, custodial staff, architects, hospitality, human resources, public relations, the armies of consultants, all manner of infrastructure, utilities, and any other amounts of operating overhead is simply negligible because the game is simply enjoyable enough on its own if we can watch it on TV?

Oh yeah... the owners are made of money. They can grow their own in their money tree orchards if they need more to make their play-thing businesses work. Besides... what's a few million to a billionaire, right?

Players owe their worth in large part due to the NFL machine that does the marketing for them (unless you are Chad Johnson, TO, or some other diva). You take that away, and the vast majority of name recognition and co-sponsorship plummets.

If the burden of working in a league where trading is an option, then find another industry to work in. If it is so horrible to play in the NFL, why is the line so long to get in? You make these flippant comments as if to subtley lay a racial overtone to this discourse and blithely look away at the horse's mouth when it's staring you in the face.

To even hint at such a reference with poorly shrouded intent tells me exactly what type of people are "offering their informed opinion" on this board.

JR is a former player. If anyone has the right to speak to current players about their whining it is him. It is likely the very reason he is more outspoken than all the other owners combined. He's been there and knows just how bad it can be. These collective children apparently need to be reminded of just how good they have it.

If the NFLPA was REALLY concerned with their members, they would have the Brad Hoovers and Nick Goings attending instead of so-called superstars. Peyton and Brees are not going to be hurting anytime soon with their contracts. If they are so concerned for their fellow man, then let them put down the appropriate gifting for the rest of the league's players. NFLPA already does it? Then why isn't it enough? What exactly is enough?

If players want a piece of the financial pie, then they need to put an appreciable financial contribution with all the risk that it entails. I don't hear about them screaming for co-opted shares for investments and dividends. I hear about union organizers and top-shelf TV faces jockeying for more and bigger guaranteed paychecks regardless of the market.

Products? Even if the notion were true, it MUST be fantastic because EVERYONE would JUMP at the deal if it were laid at their feet. I think JR is in prime position to give that collective ego train a good derailing and has all the right in the world to do it.

[Panthers_Lover]

Does a player have the right to walk away from an NFL team when he is under contract? NO

Does a player have to return the contract money if he walks? YES

Can a player who walked out of a contract go play for another NFL team? NO

Does a player face legal action if he walks out of a contract? YES

They are a slave to the contract they sign. They do not have the right to walk away. I don't know many companies that have this kind of control over a human. There are non-compete clauses, but those don't prevent you from working in your industry, only taking clients with you.

They do have the right to walk ... you said so yourself ... they just have to pay the consequences, which they agreed to do.

There definitely are non-compete clauses that prevent you from working in your industry.

[mountainpantherfan]

Does a player have the right to walk away from an NFL team when he is under contract? NO

Does a player have to return the contract money if he walks? YES

Can a player who walked out of a contract go play for another NFL team? NO

Does a player face legal action if he walks out of a contract? YES

They are a slave to the contract they sign. They do not have the right to walk away. I don't know many companies that have this kind of control over a human. There are non-compete clauses, but those don't prevent you from working in your industry, only taking clients with you.

I thought you said a player couldn't walk away if under contract? But then you turn around and say if they do (?) they have to pay back their money?

Steve Smith can right now tell Jerry Richardson that he no longer wants to work for him. Steve then pays back the amount of money he has already been paid but did not earn and walks out the door. Steve Smith's NFL contract is still owned by the Panthers but Steve Smith the human can walk down the street and play for the Carolina Speed and no legal action can be taken agaisnt him.

That doesn't sound like a slave, volunteery or involunterry. It sounds like an employee who signed a contract which governed financials and NFL playing rights, but nothing to do with human rights.

[Panthers_Lover]

I don't know a players in the league that would walk away from the NFL after only two season and after winning the Superbowl over $250. He wanted a $250 raise and the Colts said no. He walked away. That's not principle. That's stupidity.

I understand that the Football was not a career back in the 60s and it was more for fun. I know that these guys all had other jobs, so I somewhat get that, but give me a break. Don't call it principle. It's the same crap he's pulling right now. I'm not going to pay guys what they are worth, I'm not going to sign comparable talent and I'm going to tank the 2010 season over principle?

I respect Richardson's accomplishments, but that doesn't mean that he is always right. He is dead wrong in his actions over the last few year. You don't sacrifice the PSL owner and the fans hard earned dollars over a CBA contract. You spit in the fans face one too many times and the fans will call for your head.

See my previous posts.

[riddel]

Agreed. Seems to me the term voluntary slave is an oxymoron. You can't volunteer to be a slave. By the nature of the term slavery is impressing someone into service without their permission and forcing them to work for little or no compensation. Players line up to play in the NFL and can leave at any time. They sign contract voluntarily and know exactly what they are getting into.

When did compensation and knowing the services required to make that compensation become the definition of slavery. My goal is not to say that players are slaves, but that they are indeed 100% obligated to fullfill the contract they sign or they will no longer be able to play.

I got a funny word for you.

FREEagent. Wonder why they used the word FREE! I'm slaying you guys...really I am.

[Panthers_Lover]

Someone that signs a contract allowing an NFL team to own the rights to your services exclusively. Yes, they are well paid, but they are owned, in that they can not go work anywhere else without permission.

This concept is sinking in....I see your mind wrapping around it.

Hey, ask Palmer what that feels like! Play or retire. Those are his two choices. Listen I don't have a problem with this. It's extremely important to secure your assests and that's exactly what player contracts do.

And they FREELY enter those contracts ... through which they are extremely well paid.

[csx]

When did compensation and knowing the services required to make that compensation become the definition of slavery. My goal is not to say that players are slaves, but that they are indeed 100% obligated to fullfill the contract they sign or they will no longer be able to play.

I got a funny word for you.

FREEagent. Wonder why they used the word FREE! I'm slaying you guys...really I am.

Actually you just destroyed your point in one line.....lol

[riddel]

So The Golden Calf of Bristol set the market in Denver huh?

There is no point in arguing with you anymore riddel. You have no clue what you are talking about and in my opinion probably do not even comprehend the opinions in your own head.

enjoy the lockout created by your whiney ass players who are ALL replaceable and will ALL eventually be replaced because the game is SOOOOOO much bigger than any player or group of players will ever be.

The Golden Calf of Bristol is the number 1 selling jersey. Florida fans are the reason. People like Denver now because of The Golden Calf of Bristol, who is the hottest product on the self.

Oh, yeah, smart guy.....the players can't create a lockout....only the owners can...

[Panthers_Lover]

Actually you just destroyed your point in one line.....lol

love it!

[paulSM]

I kind of get where JR is coming from now. If he up and walked away over $250 dollars then his philosophy is probably, "screw them, if they don't like it they can quit and go do something else just like I did." If he was a player righ now, that's what he'd do.

[riddel]

Actually you just destroyed your point in one line.....lol

actually no. A freeagent must fullfill their contract before they become free....indentured servant if you will....once the contract is fullfilled....the player becomes FREE.