JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[cavic7585]

I'm with the owners on this issue and who cares if JR was a ass to Peyton. Wipe the sand out of your vag its business. You cant give the players what they are asking for. Its to much. If they are that strapped for cash then do what the majority of the nation is doing and cut your spending. I am becoming more and more of a college football fan these days anyway.

(Except I don't want 18 game seasons. That might to much for players and would water down the season.)

[David Duke Is a Bad Person]

Bullpoo.

JR has the guts to tell these overpaid children that they are employees. They show up, perform a task, and draw a paycheck. They are NOT entitled to 50% of the value of the franchise.

If they want the rights of owners, they should take some of those millions they are making and invest in the teams.

These owners have invested hundreds of millions of their own wealth and debt. They pay for ALL of the operating costs of the organization. Yet, the players (fuging employees) think they are ENTITLED to over 50% of the revenue stream for said organization.

These unions are what is wrong with our economy today. They serve no purpose but to force ownership to OVERPAY.

A guy in Detroit should not make $75 an hour to push around a broom....and these players shoudl not make $15-$20M for playing a game.

If they don't like it, I hear that McDonalds is hiring.

NFL players are the product.

Players sacrfice their body and their shelf life is extemely small compared to other sports or professions. Do you know how many players live a semi-crippled life short time after after they retire?

90% of small businesses that are started by a first time businessperson go bankrupt in the first 2 years. How many NFL teams do that? Zero, because of the monopoly and revenue sharing.

[twylyght]

NFL players are the product.

Players sacrfice their body and their shelf life is extemely small compared to other sports or professions. Do you know how many players live a semi-crippled life short time after after they retire?

90% of small businesses that are started by a first time businessperson go bankrupt in the first 2 years. How many NFL teams do that? Zero, because of the monopoly and revenue sharing.

How many of those NFL owners are first time business owners? Are they in the position that they are in without being solid businessmen first? It is true that the NFL is a monopoly for their market (as are virtually any unions in the US for that matter), but they haven't garnered their success through bad business dealings. They know exactly what they are doing and it is why it is the premier sport in America by which all other leagues are judged.

As for the players... if the job is so incredibly sh*tty, why take it? Find something else if it is really that bad. There are 10s of thousands of people ready to take their spot because of how good those "poor souls" have it.

[mountainpantherfan]

I've seen the statement a couple of times now that "players are the product not employees."

Can someone explain to me what they mean by that? Because to me that statement actually makes it sound like you are making the players into an assets. I don't think that is what you mean by it but I don't understand it otherwise.

[Urrymonster]

NFL players are the product.

Players sacrfice their body and their shelf life is extemely small compared to other sports or professions. Do you know how many players live a semi-crippled life short time after after they retire?

90% of small businesses that are started by a first time businessperson go bankrupt in the first 2 years. How many NFL teams do that? Zero, because of the monopoly and revenue sharing.

The game is the product, not the individuals. That's like saying a games developer is entitled to all the income rather than the publisher. The gave dev's are the ones putting the work in for the product, so without them the game is of much lower standard or doesn't exist.

Plenty of professions puts individuals health on the line. You don't hear this kind of issue cropping up in rugby, which arguably exposes players to more hardships.

There are plenty of miners out there putting their lives on the line. Plenty of firemen, policemen, sea rescue teams and somethign called the army that puts these risks that NFL players face into perspective.

The GAME, also known as the NFL is the product. They take part in the product. They put much less at risk that a HUGE amount of professions.

[carolinarolls]

I back JR. Not because he owns the Panthers either. I support him because he is not talking down to the players. If they want to negotiate at an ownership level they should experience how business is done at that level.

Nobody is served if ownership strokes the players, tells them how great they are, that they are the real heart of the league, etc. If they want to complain they should hear complaints from the other side without any punches being pulled.

Just because the idiot fan bases think that without certain players and their multimillion dollar gameday checks the league will crumble does not make it so.

The game will survive. Let these whiney primadonnas organize their own league if they are not happy in the NFL. Let's see how far they get without intelligent infrastructure and professional organization.

Bottom line, they chose this line of work. If you can't tread water when the tide ebbs instead of flows maybe you should look at another line of work. Good luck qualifying for one that pays you @ 500k annually for riding the pine though.

Ingrate mutherfvckers.

[Snake]

NFL players are the product.

Players sacrfice their body and their shelf life is extemely small compared to other sports or professions. Do you know how many players live a semi-crippled life short time after after they retire?

90% of small businesses that are started by a first time businessperson go bankrupt in the first 2 years. How many NFL teams do that? Zero, because of the monopoly and revenue sharing.

Players are not the product, football is. They only execute said product. With just players no one would watch. Coaches, managers,and scouts play just as big of role.

[Happy Panther]

I've seen the statement a couple of times now that "players are the product not employees."

Can someone explain to me what they mean by that? Because to me that statement actually makes it sound like you are making the players into an assets. I don't think that is what you mean by it but I don't understand it otherwise.

Part of what you are paying to see when you buy an NFL ticket or turn on the TV is the player. The player has to be there for the game to happen, better players make for more revenue and you physically see the players.

Given that an owner can trade a player for another player, a draft pick or cash (?) then the player is indeed an asset with monetary worth.

This is why it is silly to try to compare the NFL to your typical boss/employee scenario in a typical company such as Wachovia or Starbucks

Compare this to Ford where you are paying for the vehicle and the human that helped make the vehicle is immaterial to your decision and not necessarily critical to the process of making the vehicle.

[carolinarolls]

If you turn on the tv to watch the player you have a legit argument for the players.

however you have to choose whether you are a football fan or an individual fan at some point.

I think certain players have unique abilities and are fun to watch but I love it when a team under proper direction and leadership practices all week to successfully eliminate or contain the individual efforts of any certain player forcing that team to find another way to win and giving their team added hope in achieving a win themselves. It's called enjoying the game of football.

worshiping the player on any level IS the problem.

[riddel]

I've seen the statement a couple of times now that "players are the product not employees."

Can someone explain to me what they mean by that? Because to me that statement actually makes it sound like you are making the players into an assets. I don't think that is what you mean by it but I don't understand it otherwise.

Products are bought, sold and traded. Players are bought, sold and traded. Have you ever seen any other "employees" bought, sold or traded? Me either. Next question.

[csx]

They used to play for and charge peanuts for people to watch these games until savvy and creative owners built the large intinwhat it is today. Thhey built and maintain the system that allows us to see all these games and pay for the talent.

Players did not turn football into the industry it is. Players don't build stadiums or negotiate tv contracts.

[csx]

Products are bought, sold and traded. Players are bought, sold and traded. Have you ever seen any other "employees" bought, sold or traded? Me either. Next question.

Exactly, the league of owners created that market.

[Snake]

Part of what you are paying to see when you buy an NFL ticket or turn on the TV is the player. The player has to be there for the game to happen, better players make for more revenue and you physically see the players.

Given that an owner can trade a player for another player, a draft pick or cash (?) then the player is indeed an asset with monetary worth.

This is why it is silly to try to compare the NFL to your typical boss/employee scenario in a typical company such as Wachovia or Starbucks

Compare this to Ford where you are paying for the vehicle and the human that helped make the vehicle is immaterial to your decision and not necessarily critical to the process of making the vehicle.

While your half right about the players they do not draw as much fandom money as winning does, just ask the redskins. Low profile players become popular with winning so winning is key to money not players. A good coach could bring you a lot more money then a player ever could. No matter how you twist it the players are not the most important thing in the business of football.

[riddel]

Players are not the product, football is. They only execute said product. With just players no one would watch. Coaches, managers,and scouts play just as big of role.

Coaches are may or may not be a product. That would depend on who you're asking. Richardson views them as employees and thinks you can plug them in an go. Kraft thinks of them as products and only wants the Belichick product on the field. Kraft thougt so much of the Belichick product, he sacrificed draft picks for it. Ask the Patriots how much it cost them to tamper with the Jets product (Belichick).