JR condescending to Peyton Manning during CBA meeting?

[Carolina Husker]

Your wrong.

You're wrong twice in one sentence.

[mountainpantherfan]

Sorry, my bad to actually think that a popular sports team in Charlotte would leave because they aren't making enough money in Charlotte and would move elsewhere to make that money. That would never happen.

[riddel]

If you all are shocked by Richardsons words, you would not last long in a board room.

These players who know very little about business compared to JR should not expect to be coddled by him. This isn't the locker room, this is the board room. They are opposing interests in negotiation. If the players are going to cry about being treated like people in business and not celebrities, maybe they should let their attorneys speak for them.

Have you heard Richardson speak? Give me a break. He's a hamburger flippin restaurant mogel who went to Wofford College, not some high powered attorney with a Harvard degree.....JEEZ...you guys are killing me.

I can tell you this. You don't create a "win win" in any business situation, if you're insulting and demeaning to your labor and product representatives! Anything other than a "win win" will result in a "lose lose" for the fans. Just know that.

[Happy Panther]

Sorry, my bad to actually think that a popular sports team in Charlotte would leave because they aren't making enough money in Charlotte and would move elsewhere to make that money. That would never happen.

Except it didn't happen like that at all.

[riddel]

Sorry, my bad to actually think that a popular sports team in Charlotte would leave because they aren't making enough money in Charlotte and would move elsewhere to make that money. That would never happen.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html

Forbes shows the Panther's as #12 and Richardson is clearing around $80 million with misc. sales......

oh yeah...the debt to value ration is 18% of $1 BILLION dollars....

give me a break....he's killing it!

[Happy Panther]

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html

Forbes shows the Panther's as #12 and Richardson is clearing around $80 million without misc. sales......

oh yeah...the debt to value ration is 18% of $1 BILLION dollars....

give me a break....he's killing it!

No way dude. Totally losing money.

See?

[Happy Panther]

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html

Forbes shows the Panther's as #12 and Richardson is clearing around $80 million without misc. sales......

oh yeah...the debt to value ration is 18% of $1 BILLION dollars....

give me a break....he's killing it!

The operating income is only $15M which isn't that great a ROE on $1B. That's the only bad thing I can see from his standpoint.

This is made up for in the asset that has appreciated from $200M to $1B....

[Panthers_Lover]

Have you heard Richardson speak? Give me a break. He's a hamburger flippin restaurant mogel who went to Wofford College, not some high powered attorney with a Harvard degree.....JEEZ...you guys are killing me.

I can tell you this. You don't create a "win win" in any business situation, if you're insulting and demeaning to your labor and product representatives! Anything other than a "win win" will result in a "lose lose" for the fans. Just know that.

You obviously know nothing about the man.

[riddel]

The operating income is only $15M which isn't that great a ROE on $1B. That's the only bad thing I can see from his standpoint.

This is made up for in the asset that has appreciated from $200M to $1B....

$15 million is only what they estimate....the books are closed....the NFL product is sold through out the world.....who knows what the guy is making...but by estimates, yes $15 million per year...

[riddel]

You obviously know nothing about the man.

I know he walked away from his NFL career over $250 and called it principle.

[g5jamz]

Does the NFL have certain federal protections protecting FOIA requests for the books being opened?

[Happy Panther]

$15 million is only what they estimate....the books are closed....the NFL product is sold through out the world.....who knows what the guy is making...but by estimates, yes $15 million per year...

True.

I was thinking about this open the books thing and i think its a moot point.

The biggest items that you need to know are publicly available. TV deals, gate receipts, player salaries and debt. Even concessions should be easily estimate-able.

And Forbes has one litmus test in Green Bay.

[Happy Panther]

Does the NFL have certain federal protections protecting FOIA requests for the books being opened?

The FOIA does not apply to NFL teams

[riddel]

True.

I was thinking about this open the books thing and i think its a moot point.

The biggest items that you need to know are publicly available. TV deals, gate receipts, player salaries and debt. Even concessions should be easily estimate-able.

And Forbes has one litmus test in Green Bay.

Sponsors and naming rights are not included...there are so many profits not known...