"CBA has no chance..."

[Happy Panther]

everything i've heard is we indeed get the first pick and subsequent rounds flip-flop. for instance, we pick #1 in the first round and Green Bay picks #1 in the second round and we pick #32. third round, we pick #1 and GB picks #32...etc...

I think the point is there is no rule in place for what happens to the 2012 draft if there is a lockout which means the owners would have to vote and agree on the method.

I find it unlikely that we would be granted the #1 again...

UNLESS the other owners grant it to JR for his tough negotiating this year

[rubberpantz]

I think the point is there is no rule in place for what happens to the 2012 draft if there is a lockout which means the owners would have to vote and agree on the method.

I find it unlikely that we would be granted the #1 again...

UNLESS the other owners grant it to JR for his tough negotiating this year

and someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe that is in fact the rule.

draft order stays the same in the first round as 2011 and then flipflops until the end of the draft.

[chef17]

and someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe that is in fact the rule.

draft order stays the same in the first round as 2011 and then flipflops until the end of the draft.

Where did you find this?

[Happy Panther]

and someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe that is in fact the rule.

I got $100 that says you can't prove this

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Even if there is a lockout a new CBA will have to be in place before the 2012 draft takes place and it will handle how the order goes. Most likely a weighted lottery and snake draft.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

From the comment section of the link below:

This dispute is not even about the players vs owners, its about owners vs owners....*.... Mr. Abrams don't be part of the problem, get yourself informed

1. The small market NFL teams want the cap lowered or they want all the revenue shared. As it stands right now only the TV money is shared, the money that an owner can extract from ticket prices, stadium concession*s, merchandis*ing, stadium naming rights, etc is not shared amongst the team owners....*... however all of that money is counted into the Salary Cap

So for example the Cowboys own their stadium and keep the revenue from it, so the higher cap doesn't impact them, but Jacksonvil*le which is in a city that has lower wages and a lower standard of living than Dallas has to pay players at the same Cap number that Dallas does.

2. The Players are not asking for an increase in the percentage they get from the total revenue, they are asking for HEALTH BENEFITS and Pension money

So how is a work stoppage the players fault? How does any of this labor dispute fall on the shoulders of the players...*..... it doesn't...*.... Goddell will have to appease the owners and get them to agree to something amongst themselves

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-i-abrams/isnt-it-always-the-player_b_821593.html

And then there's this:

http://www.anoffcamberworld.com/2011/01/more-on-labor-mess.html

Although this is full of facts and the correct agendas...ill wait for the posts about that Jerry is doing this for Andrew Luck....really?!

..or worse that JR is brilliant and doing the right thing...as if they get a kickback for public praise of Capin' Hardees.

[Lumps]

Still waiting for proof what he is done was 'brilliant'. There are a lot of results, but none going in that direction.

[rubberpantz]

Where did you find this?

can't find the exact link but i do remember reading something that appeared credible regarding the flip-flop of picks following round 1 of the 2012 draft.

but it appears, (according to Steve Reed at least) that the Panthers would indeed get the #1 pick.

http://reederstake.freedomblogging.com/2011/01/21/the-only-upside-of-a-lockout-season-for-the-panthers/8358/

[MadHatter]

who do you think caused this problem in the CBA right now? who was it that brought an end to it? it was the owners.

they agreed to the older CBA and now they started crying because they think they got screwed in the last one.

owners let the CBA end because they want more money. they are the problem. it isn't the players asking for more money and less work. it's those fat cat owners that are sitting there saying "we want you to take on more work, but we want you to get paid less." JR is spinning it saying they are trying to get paid more for less, but he's just not telling the whole story.

if the onwers don't like the CBA, they shouldn't have agreed to it before. now they feel like chumps and are trying to show that they have big penises. only thing they are doing, though, is showing that they are big penises.

how in the world can you expect any employee to agree to work more, but take a cut in pay? why in the world would anyone agree to that right out?

players have said that they would do it if the owners made just a few realistic concessions, but the owners are trying to play it tough.

the bad guys here are the owners.

The owners agreed to the last CBA at the last minute to save football. That contract was agregiously in favor ofb the players. They got screwed before and they are not going to get screwed again.

Players are employees...nothing more.

Let them take their skillset and get a job in another industry. They are paid millions of dollars to play a game. Let them wait tables, or work in construction, or whatever other job their basket weaving degree (if they even got one) will afford them.

Want the privelages and rewared of ownership....pony up their own personal cash. They don't want a % of the profits. They want a big ass % of the gross revenue.

The sooner thei understand amd appreciate what they have, the sooner a deal gets done.

I am behind the owners....even if it means no football in 2011.

Unions have been fuging businesses and rhe economy in the US for decades. Time that they get fuged instead.

[Wickedman25]

Both sides are at fault for this whole thing. Both sides are greedy. I say go ahead and lock them out. I really don't care because I will just watch college football, then I can get caught up on things on Sunday. If both sides can't see that they are truly blessed to have what they have. Then they can just not have the NFL....The owners hold all the cards. Their teams, their stadiums. They really want to have football, they will just bring in other other players. The stars will survive, but the little guy on the teams will have to get e real job and see what's it's like to get up and go everyday. 5 days a week all year, for a 5th of what he's making now. Do I like that my boss makes all the money and profits off what I do for a living and I get minimal pay. Nope, but that is life. I will trade any of them. They are killing the sport I love, both of them. I hope they choke on their greed.

[chef17]

can't find the exact link but i do remember reading something that appeared credible regarding the flip-flop of picks following round 1 of the 2012 draft.

but it appears, (according to Steve Reed at least) that the Panthers would indeed get the #1 pick.

http://reederstake.freedomblogging.com/2011/01/21/the-only-upside-of-a-lockout-season-for-the-panthers/8358/

It's fine. I was just looking to read up on it.

[rodeo]

Players are employees...nothing more.

wrong as usual. the Panthers are no more simple employees than Avatar was an employee. they are a product; a service being provided for entertainment like a movie or a song. without the players, there is no service. they are not replaceable, if they were there would be no issue because Jerry Richardson himself could strap on a pair of pads and go provide the service, or find someone who will provide the service for minimum wage. that's why they're paid so much, because the service they provide is extraordinarily specialized to the point that the service just doesn't exist without them.

you're trying to apply a traditional business model where it does not apply.

until the time where the Richardson jersey is the top selling one in the team store, he is nothing compared to the product itself.

let me reply for you in advance: "That was the stupidest thing you've ever said. You want something for nothing welfare blah blah get a haircut." there, now you don't have to reply.

[Lords0fPain]

Per Schefter via an NFL Source:

Looks like JR has his mind made up...this thing might not get done for a while.

hmm, thought there are 31 other teams...is JR now their dictator? He can't do crap w/o the other teams' support.

on the other hand, if this is his "master plan" to draft Luck next year...:cool:

[Lords0fPain]

wrong as usual. the Panthers are no more simple employees than Avatar was an employee. they are a product; a service being provided for entertainment like a movie or a song. without the players, there is no service. they are not replaceable, if they were there would be no issue because Jerry Richardson himself could strap on a pair of pads and go provide the service, or find someone who will provide the service for minimum wage. that's why they're paid so much, because the service they provide is extraordinarily specialized to the point that the service just doesn't exist without them.

you're trying to apply a traditional business model where it does not apply.

until the time where the Richardson jersey is the top selling one in the team store, he is nothing compared to the product itself.

let me reply for you in advance: "That was the stupidest thing you've ever said. You want something for nothing welfare blah blah get a haircut." there, now you don't have to reply.

Yea, they are employees...on the other hand you get what you pay for..:eek:

The players ARE NOT risking their own money for the game. They have a skill, and that commands money, but the owners are the EMPLOYERS. The owners got screwed the last CBA and even the players had admitted as much. And the vets even told other sports don't do a salary cap. Addressed in last paragraph. Yes, I remember that going on at the time...

They (players/employees) what the career CHOICE involves physical contact and they STILL CHOOSE to sign the contract. If spending (on wages) is reeled in, there is more in the pot for pensions, medical (benefits) and basically worker comp (if they can't work/play anymore). Just like EVERYONE else.

Our new HC coach, even stated he got pushed (prematurely) out, due to the last CBA. A 9 yr vet that was to make $970,000 (I believe). Some players are screwing themselves (the mid range, which the majority), if they keep this up. They better wake up....:out: