So hypothetically speaking

[King Taharqa]

Cam most rush yards by a qb in SEC History

Cam highest passer rating in SEC History

Cam first QB to beat 8 ranked teams in one season

Cam finished the season without a loss

Cam led a team with the worst defense numbers wise to a national title

Cam won the heisman on the 3rd biggest landslide ever

None of that matters. It means nothing. If we dont like you we can just say your accomplishments have no value and I think this other guy is gonna show me more on the next level. I'm glad the NBA doesnt have this BS infused in their culture. Either you can play or you cant. If we can just write a whole dude's college resume off, whats the point in even playing or striving for improvement. People are sending a strong message.

[chef17]

None of that matters. It means nothing. If we dont like you we can just say your accomplishments have no value and I think this other guy is gonna show me more on the next level. I'm glad the NBA doesnt have this BS infused in their culture. Either you can play or you cant. If we can just write a whole dude's college resume off, whats the point in even playing or striving for improvement. People are sending a strong message.

I don't know if this is talking about my post where I said none of that matters in the nfl. If this is, I'm not saying his accomplishments have no value. Cam did some great things in college. But that is college. Once he is drafted teams won't care about him winning a national title. They want him to accomplish stuff at the next level. We have to wait and see if he can

[King Taharqa]

I don't know if this is talking about my post where I said none of that matters in the nfl. If this is, I'm not saying his accomplishments have no value. Cam did some great things in college. But that is college. Once he is drafted teams won't care about him winning a national title. They want him to accomplish stuff at the next level. We have to wait and see if he can

So go by your logic, no prospect should be expected to perform on the next level. Not Green, not Peterson, not Fairley. None of them have NFL stats for us to judge them by. Their college stats mean nothing. They might've done some things, but it isnt the same. Nobody cares if Fairley won a national title. It doesnt matter if Green dominated college football as a WR. Peterson shutting down college WRs is meaningless. Gotcha.

[SmootsDaddy89]

If you don't think that there is an inherent bias against black QBs, including Cam, just wait until you see how posters here and the media react when Andrew Luck has his inevitable pro day and looks EXACTLY HOW CAM NEWTON LOOKED.

[chef17]

So go by your logic, no prospect should be expected to perform on the next level. Not Green, not Peterson, not Fairley. None of them have NFL stats for us to judge them by. Their college stats mean nothing. They might've done some things, but it isnt the same. Nobody cares if Fairley won a national title. It doesnt matter if Green dominated college football as a WR. Peterson shutting down college WRs is meaningless. Gotcha.

LOL where did I say any of that? I said once they step foot on a NFL field, teams aren't interested in anything having to do with college. What they did in college helps their draft stock sure. But once they become NFL players they will be judged by what they accomplish at the NFL level, not college. Please show me where I said they aren't expected to perform.

[SmootsDaddy89]

We already have two young quarterbacks, and I don't buy that they're just going to cut Tony Pike without giving him a chance to go to camp either. Adding a third into that mix would put us in a ridiculous situation.

As I've said numerous times, youth at quarterback is something we already have. We don't need any more of it.

It didn't bother you when you thought that Andrew Luck was coming out. And I don't want to hear how Luck is different because he's pro-ready. So was Jimmy Clausen.

And again, you do not take a two to three year project player at #1 overall unless you have a) an established starter he can learn behind and b) no other significant gaps that need to be filled right now. Neither of those conditions apply to us.

Newton is not a guy who can start from day one. Neither is any other QB on the board.

The Titans took a project Vince Young #3 overall with no established starter in front of him. They ended up starting him, and he almost led them to the playoffs. Now the following year, because he didn't bother to work on his game or try to improve, and because opponents had film on him, he got picked apart. But you can't use what Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell did as an argument for not drafting Cam Newton. Newton knows his game has flaws and he's already showing prospective teams that he's willing to do whatever it takes to become an elite NFL QB.

[King Taharqa]

LOL where did I say any of that? I said once they step foot on a NFL field, teams aren't interested in anything having to do with college. What they did in college helps their draft stock sure. But once they become NFL players they will be judged by what they accomplish at the NFL level, not college. Please show me where I said they aren't expected to perform.

The part in bold contradicts your comment.

"None of those mean anything in NFL"

I didnt see a part in your statement about "once they get on the field". All I saw was someone implying Cam's accomplishments dont matter to the NFL. As if teams dont care about a guy winning or putting up numbers on that level. How many guys with Cam's size and athleticism are playing in the NFL that flopped? How many pro bowlers and HOF guys who played this game do you know of that didnt put up numbers in college and or were scrubs? Not many. How many QBs coming out put up that kind of resume Chef17, that flamed out in the NFL? How is Sam Bradford doing? He's a Heisman winner and a guy who put up big stats in college out of a spread offense. Are the Rams suffering from gambling on him at #1 given he was coming off shoulder surgery? Its true, college doesnt mean everything and isnt the be all end all indicator of a guy's success. But teams definitely care and look at what a guy did in college. And pretty much what you were implying could be applied to any prospect easily.

[SmootsDaddy89]

You don't use the #1 overall pick in the draft on a two to three year project, especially not in our current situation.

Then let him start right away?

Realistically unless Clausen uses one of those medieval torture devices to make himself taller, fixes his delivery, and a bunch of mental problems he needs to work on, like being a leader, his "shot" is going to be about 3-4 games before he gets yanked.

Now we could either wheelchair Billy Volek out there, our we could bring out Cam Newton. Someone who could re-energize the fanbase. He's not going to be perfectly groomed to take over after a month into his rookie season, but he can make up for it with sheer atheletic ability. Vince Young was such a fat-headed retard that he only knew about 10 plays his rookie season, but he was such an athelete that he was able to put together a decent rookie season despite the fact. Cam is an even better athlete, he's smarter, and he's got the right attitude about where his is in relation to where he needs to be. There literally is no reason why he shouldn't be as good, if not better, than Vince Young was his rookie season.

[chef17]

The part in bold contradicts your comment.

"None of those mean anything in NFL"

I didnt see a part in your statement about "once they get on the field". All I saw was someone implying Cam's accomplishments dont matter to the NFL. As if teams dont care about a guy winning or putting up numbers on that level. How many guys with Cam's size and athleticism are playing in the NFL that flopped? How many pro bowlers and HOF guys who played this game do you know of that didnt put up numbers in college and or were scrubs? Not many. How many QBs coming out put up that kind of resume Chef17, that flamed out in the NFL? How is Sam Bradford doing? He's a Heisman winner and a guy who put up big stats in college out of a spread offense. Are the Rams suffering from gambling on him at #1 given he was coming off shoulder surgery? Its true, college doesnt mean everything and isnt the be all end all indicator of a guy's success. But teams definitely care and look at what a guy did in college. And pretty much what you were implying could be applied to any prospect easily.

No it doesn't. Teams care about Cam's college stats BEFORE he is in the NFL, which includes the time leading up to the draft. So college stats will help his draft stock. Once he is drafted and is actually IN the NFL those stats are no longer important. Now if you disagree with my words choice maybe I could have worded it better. But the statement is correct. Once any player is in the NFL, teams no longer care what they did in college. The Rams don't care about Bradford winning a Heisman. They care about him helping them win games.

[pantherclaw]

What if I just poo'd?

Oh... I did.

[Mr. Scot]

It didn't bother you when you thought that Andrew Luck was coming out. And I don't want to hear how Luck is different because he's pro-ready. So was Jimmy Clausen.

If you think there's any comparison between Jimmy Clausen and Andrew Luck, I can pretty much guarantee you have no clue what you're talking about. Any scout would tell you Luck is a once in a decade prospect. There was debate about whether Clausen was even the best prospect in his class (as there is with Newton).

Luck would have been worth the risk. Nobody else is, Newton included.

And no, his being black does not have anything to do with it. It really is an embarrassment to this place that people are throwing out the race card.

[King Taharqa]

Luck would have been worth the risk.

Luck hasnt had a media day. Wont be at the combine and hasnt been thru the interview process. We dont know if he can read defenses on the next level. We dont know if he's tough enough to handle adversity on the next level. We dont know if last year was just a fluke, and he will struggle with less talent around him. Any comments made about Luck are strictly opinion and wishful thinking this point unless you're implying he's so good he's beyond this process, which is saying a lot because every QB in this league has gone thru it.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Its cute that you have such a crush on Luck, but the notion that he couldn't fail just as hard as Clausen did last year is preposterous. Both Luck and Clausen had QB gurus at head coaches in colleges. Both ran pro style offenses. Both were hyped up after one great season. I can keep going if you'd like.

[mav1234]

Its cute that you have such a crush on Luck, but the notion that he couldn't fail just as hard as Clausen did last year is preposterous. Both Luck and Clausen had QB gurus at head coaches in colleges. Both ran pro style offenses. Both were hyped up after one great season. I can keep going if you'd like.

Sure, go ahead, always love a good laugh. Show how little you know :)

We announced before he declared we were drafting him. There is virtually no way he dropped far at all. Even if we did backtrack he would have gone in the top 5 for sure.