Kiper has Cam as one of the first QB off the board

[micnificent28]

No, the OP is correct.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2011/2/11/1988779/2011-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-cam-newton-jake-locker-draft-stock

Here he is saying it directly..

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6112748

Arizona at 5, or Cincy at 4, has to consider him.

Locker has fallen out of the top ten.

Thank you...i couldn't find it...

[g5jamz]

I believe Kiper's reputation was damaged as a result of the UNC/West Coast associations to agents and propped up prospects with Kiper all too willing to help out.

I will wait and see what Mike Mayock has to say.

[Mr. Scot]

No, the OP is correct.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2011/2/11/1988779/2011-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-cam-newton-jake-locker-draft-stock

Here he is saying it directly..

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6112748

Arizona at 5, or Cincy at 4, has to consider him.

Locker has fallen out of the top ten.

Sorry, wrong.

He said he could see him rising and that the Cardinals or Bills might consider him at #4 or #5, but he did not say he was the top QB right now. Neither does the video, nor the story linked.

I've looked at his Big Board, Mock Draft and Top Five by position. Kiper still has Gabbert ahead of Newton on all three. McShay still has Gabbert ahead too.

The OP is wrong.

[g5jamz]

as of Jan 22...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd8ff0/article/underclassmen-prevalent-among-top-five-per-position

With the draft process just getting under way, here is a look at the top five prospects by position (underclassmen are indicated by a *). It is too soon to evaluate the quarterback position based on rankings, so they are separated into groups of four.

I'm sure it may change but I thought the DT position looked odd.

Quarterback:

*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

2. Jake Locker, Washington

*3. Cam Newton, Auburn

*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

5. Andy Dalton, TCU

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama

2. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois

*3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State

*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

*5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia

*2. Julio Jones, Alabama

3. Titus Young, Boise State

*4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh

*5. Torrey Smith

Tight end:

*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame

2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin

3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

5. Virgil Green, Nevada

Guard/center:

1. Mike Pouncey, Florida

2. Danny Watkins, Baylor

3. Clint Boling, Georgia

4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin

5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State

Tackle:

1. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College

2. Nate Solder, Colorado

*3. Tyron Smith, Southern California

4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin

T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova

T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Defensive end:

*1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson

*2. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin

3. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa

4. Cameron Jordan, California

*5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina

Defensive tackle:

*1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama

*2. Nick Fairley, Auburn

*3. Corey Liuget, Illinois

4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State

*5. Jurrell Casey, Southern California

Outside Linebacker:

1. Von Miller, Texas A&M

*2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA

*3. Justin Houston, Georgia

4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina

5. Chris Carter, Fresno State

Inside Linebacker:

*1. Martez Wilson, Illinois

2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (Fla.)

3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina

4. Casey Matthews, Oregon

5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

Cornerback:

*1. Patrick Peterson, LSU

2. Prince Amukamara

*3. Aaron Williams, Texas

4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado

*5. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)

Safety:

*1. Rahim Moore, UCLA

2. Ahmad Black, Florida

3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson

4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma

5. Deunta Williams, North Carolina

[blackcatgrowl]

Sorry, wrong.

He said he could see him rising and that the Cardinals or Bills might consider him at #4 or #5, but he did not say he was the top QB right now. Neither does the video, nor the story linked.

I've looked at his Big Board, Mock Draft and Top Five by position. Kiper still has Gabbert ahead of Newton on all three. McShay still has Gabbert ahead too.

The OP is wrong.

Did you miss the part of the article that says he hasn't updated his draft board since January?

I guess so...

TODAY HE SAID with his own mouth, IN THE VIDEO I LINKED, that Newton could be considered by Arizona and Cincinnati at 5 and 4.

Here it is again...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6112748

:out:

[micnificent28]

Sorry, wrong.

He said he could see him rising and that the Cardinals or Bills might consider him at #4 or #5, but he did not say he was the top QB right now. Neither does the video, nor the story linked.

I've looked at his Big Board, Mock Draft and Top Five by position. Kiper still has Gabbert ahead of Newton on all three. McShay still has Gabbert ahead too.

The OP is wrong.

He hasn't updated the board since jan. In the full interview he said Gabbert's stock is sliping and in his new big board Cam will be ahead of him. The new big board will be up mid-next week. The one everyone is refering to is the one put up before the media workout.

[Mr. Scot]

He hasn't updated the board since jan. In the full interview he said Gabbert's stock is sliping and in his new big board Cam will be ahead of him. The new big board will be up mid-next week. The one everyone is refering to is the one put up before the media workout.

The Big Board was updated February 2nd. The Mock Draft hasn't been updated since January.

The ESPN interview posted above came after the workout. It doesn't mention Blaine Gabbert at all, much less say that Newton is now ahead of him.

What Kiper does say is that Newton is "rising to the point where the Cardinals or Bills might consider him", but also said hat his intangibles need to rise before he can cement status as a top five pick.

He certainly could change his rankings, but he hasn't yet, and nowhere in the interview does he say he's going to.

You want to argue for Newton? Fine, but making stuff up doesn't help your case.

[blackcatgrowl]

Actually, the ESPN interview posted above came after the workout. It doesn't mention Blaine Gabbert at all, much less say that Newton is now ahead of him.

What Kiper does say is that Newton is "rising to the point where the Cardinals or Bills might consider him", but also said hat his intangibles need to rise before he can cement status as a top five pick.

He also said the workout was to create a positive buzz, and Newton accomplished that. He also said Newton is the star of the draft, and the talk of the draft, and has phenomenal arm strength.

But somehow, his comments today don't supersede a board he released weeks ago? :smilielol5:

[mmmbeans]

kiper is known to be on the payrolls of a number of agents. his opinion is worth dick.

[Mr. Scot]

He also said the workout was to create a positive buzz, and Newton accomplished that. He also said Newton is the star of the draft, and the talk of the draft, and has phenomenal arm strength.

But somehow, his comments today don't supersede a board he released weeks ago? :smilielol5:

Try February 2nd.

Kiper also said there are still concerns about his intangibles and doesn't believe he can rise to a top five pick unless those are satisfied. His point about the workout was that it would serve to focus attention on his physical skills and away from his intangibles, but the intangibles are still a question.

Bottom Line: The OP is wrong. Kiper does not have Newton as his top QB. He might in the future, or he might not, but he doesn't now so the thread title is wrong.

[micnificent28]

Actually, the ESPN interview posted above came after the workout. It doesn't mention Blaine Gabbert at all, much less say that Newton is now ahead of him.

What Kiper does say is that Newton is "rising to the point where the Cardinals or Bills might consider him", but also said hat his intangibles need to rise before he can cement status as a top five pick.

He certainly could change his rankings, but he hasn't yet, and nowhere in the interview does he say he's going to.

You want to argue for Newton? Fine, but making stuff up doesn't help your case.

First of all i have no agenda. I like newton clearly..u don't. Everything i've post in this article is 100% what was said in the interview the clip above is just that a clip. It doesnt show the whole interview if anyone else watch sportscenter or nfl live they could clearly back me up.

The rankings have changed but all you can see is the old board because he hasn't put out the new one. He said out of his mouth Newton would be ahead of Gabbert and that his stock is slipping a bit. not out of the top 10 but he would need to fight to go ahead of newton at this point.

[rico6]

Naysayers gonna Nay.

[Mr. Scot]

First of all i have no agenda. I like newton clearly..u don't. Everything i've post in this article is 100% what was said in the interview the clip above is just that a clip. It doesnt show the whole interview if anyone else watch sportscenter or nfl live they could clearly back me up.

The rankings have changed but all you can see is the old board because he hasn't put out the new one. He said out of his mouth Newton would be ahead of Gabbert and that his stock is slipping a bit. not out of the top 10 but he would need to fight to go ahead of newton at this point.

Ah yes, the old "I saw it on Sportscenter but I can't find it online" bit.

I'm sure :rolleyes:

[micnificent28]

Ah yes, the old "I saw it on Sportscenter but I can't find it online" bit.

I'm sure :rolleyes:

Just make a mental note of this.when the new big board drops next week to comfirm what i heard him say to day, I'll make a big fat i told you so thread for mr.scot...