So let me get this straight, you guys hate Clausen and Edwards yet...

[rayzor]

Personally, I'm sick and tired of stopgaps. We have been playing stopgap QB's since Kerry Collins quit on us.

agreed. we get used to using them and never seem to grow. it's even worse now because QB is so much more important to the team.

screw what we did in the past. it's a new day. lets get some new ideas and try breaking out of our little mediocre bubble.

[Sloth]

Moon is mentoring Cam Newton. There's a link floating around of an interview with him. Was nice to hear his take on Newton, though I'm still not sold.

Moon interview

[mountainpantherfan]

i think most of the league agrees with me, though. thats why you see more and more QBs getting the start early. if it made more sense to have them sit on the bench a couple years, you would have more teams doing it, but in the past few years you've been seeing (well maybe you haven't) more and more players getting the start as a rookie. you may not think it's a good idea, but teams that are forward thinking are getting them in earlier. john fox is the guy who said it wasn't a good idea to get a rookie in there and the only reason he got one is was because he was forced into it. the only teams that aren't starting rookie QBs are the ones who have a franchise guy already entrenched in the job (like what happened with rodgers) or the guys that get one out of a trade (orton/cutler) or the guys who luck out with a stud coming out in FA (brees).

for the most part when a team drafts a rookie, you see him getting the start in the first season.

what you said about them not being able to read defenses...the only time and way that you can really learn to read them and see what they are doing is being in the game. unless the QB has a helmet cam, there's no way a QB can see what it really looks like from that unique vantage point. compare that with video and a good teacher who can help you understand what is going on and you can learn it.

yes, you can learn it in practice, but you can learn it quicker in practice and in real game situations. if you are just confined to practice, you only get used to seeing your defense.

Just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean they are doing it the right way.

Like I said, I don't disagree with you that for some, being thrown into the fire is a good thing. But it isn't the same for everyone and Newton IMO is one of those guys who will benefit from sitting to begin with.

The bad part is that if drafted by the Panthers he would be the best QB right now on the team and he doesn't have the luxury that Steve Young had in San Fran or Aaron Rodgers had in Green Bay. Even Big Ben was suppose to sit the first year before Maddox got injuried.

Come to think about it, a lot of rookie QB end up starting because of injury not because the team has decided to go that route.

[mountainpantherfan]

Well, all in all, this is great for the Panthers. Worst case senerio, the Newton "hype" helps the Panthers trade out of the #1 overall and pick up more picks. Best case, we draft the next Big Ben or Steve Young or whatever great QB you want to compare him to.

I'm not on the Newton train but I'm getting closer to being on. One major factor...if a new CBA isn't a go by the draft, meaning that there probably is no mini camps, no training camp and no free agency until just days before the start of the season...then drafting Newton makes a lot more sense as the options become very limited.

[AKPantherFan]

If we draft a QB with our #1 pick and his name is not Andrew Luck (which is no longer possible) then our FO is IGNORANT

[lymelizzard]

You guys hate that Clausen and Edwards sucked in their first season, yet you want to get a QB at the number one pick in the draft that will undoubtly not look good for at least two years and could very well be the next JaMarcus Russell.

Appears there has been a change in the winds, people are now loving the Jimmy. He didn't suck on his on merit, he sucked because of Coaches. Jimmy will become the next Peyton Manning now.

[ForMac]

If Moon is mentoring Newton then that will help dramatically. But even Moon didnt win the big one, McNair and McNabb even later in their careers became great Pocket Quarterbacks. I just think for a vertical passing game and the history of the NFL, you need someone bred to pass first, run on scramble or designed draw plays ala Young, and even Rodgers. I don't wanna waste three years on a pressured and running quarterback, when the history doesen't agree with it. I don't think hes gonna fit the coryell even if its runbased.

[TheRealDeal]

meanwhile in the superbowl both Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben have big arms, can shed tacklers, can scramble for rushing yards, have rushing TDs, and are most dangerous outside of the pocket....just some observations

Rodgers isn't most dangerous outside of the pocket.

[chef17]

Well, all in all, this is great for the Panthers. Worst case senerio, the Newton "hype" helps the Panthers trade out of the #1 overall and pick up more picks. Best case, we draft the next Big Ben or Steve Young or whatever great QB you want to compare him to.

I'm not on the Newton train but I'm getting closer to being on. One major factor...if a new CBA isn't a go by the draft, meaning that there probably is no mini camps, no training camp and no free agency until just days before the start of the season...then drafting Newton makes a lot more sense as the options become very limited.

Why is it Newton can be compared to good QBs to support an argument but people get upset when he is compared to QBs that have bust? Can we just look at him as Cam Newton. His name isn't Ben, Young, or Russell.

[rayzor]

Just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean they are doing it the right way.

Like I said, I don't disagree with you that for some, being thrown into the fire is a good thing. But it isn't the same for everyone and Newton IMO is one of those guys who will benefit from sitting to begin with.

The bad part is that if drafted by the Panthers he would be the best QB right now on the team and he doesn't have the luxury that Steve Young had in San Fran or Aaron Rodgers had in Green Bay. Even Big Ben was suppose to sit the first year before Maddox got injuried.

Come to think about it, a lot of rookie QB end up starting because of injury not because the team has decided to go that route.

it depends on who it is starting, but i stoll think he would be fine if he was thrown in. again, the scheme, the protection they gave him, coaching/teaching, and his work ethic/desire/ability to learn, combined with his natural athleticism would be enough to get him and the team through the season. add in his infectious personality and fire will help him rally and get the team behind him.

it may not be ideal to some, but if it were to happen, i'd feel a whole lot better about him starting as a rookie than clausen.

things might have to be stripped down at the beginning for him to handle the job, but if they were commited to growing and improving, the playbook would grow to fit what he can do.

[rayzor]

Why is it Newton can be compared to good QBs to support an argument but people get upset when he is compared to QBs that have bust? Can we just look at him as Cam Newton. His name isn't Ben, Young, or Russell.

good point. one thing is for sure...one way or a nother, he will most likely be the guy that people get compared to in a few years.

[MHS831]

we could get the next jake delhomme in here or the next aaron brooks.

tony pike was drafted late and is a tall skinny goof so obviously he is the next tom brady.

drew brees is a midget so he's pretty much as good as seneca wallace, right?

both peyton manning and jimmy clausen are white, so they are essentially the same guy.

and yes, i'm pulling all this out of my butt, but it still makes as much sense as some of these other comparisons.

If a comparison is necessary, Big Ben is the closest to Cam if Cam becomes a pocket passer.

[rayzor]

If a comparison is necessary, Big Ben is the closest to Cam if Cam becomes a pocket passer.

agreed. i would be totally fine with that.