Zone -vs- Man Coverage

[bleys]

IF Rivera desires more man coverage, along with bump and run, then why would Meeks dictate his game plan?

Gamble has always show much more potential with bump and run, Marshall is a bigger, physical corner, and IF we drafted Peterson, his strength lies more with man coverage..

so I'm curious why Meeks being a secondary coach would dictate a scheme at all, when Rivera/McDermott would be implementing their defense and the ones game planning against offenses....?

just curious..

[rodeo]

he wouldn't, has someone proposed that he would?

[House]

most people on here are idiots.

[DaCityKats]

i wouldnt imagine him dictating the coverages. i want them to mix it up a lot, like playing 2 different coverages on certain looks.

[frash.exe]

IF Rivera desires more man coverage, along with bump and run, then why would Meeks dictate his game plan?

Gamble has always show much more potential with bump and run, Marshall is a bigger, physical corner, and IF we drafted Peterson, his strength lies more with man coverage..

so I'm curious why Meeks being a secondary coach would dictate a scheme at all, when Rivera/McDermott would be implementing their defense and the ones game planning against offenses....?

just curious..

The JJ 4-3 traditionally uses zone cover for DBs. With us keeping Meeks, a guy who mostly trains zone, if we draft Peterson, a guy who is a man cover corner, and use zone coverage, that's not exactly getting the most bang for your buck

a pass rush is more valuable

[DaCityKats]

The JJ 4-3 traditionally uses zone cover for DBs. With us keeping Meeks, a guy who mostly trains zone, if we draft Peterson, a guy who is a man cover corner, and use zone coverage, that's not exactly getting the most bang for your buck

a pass rush is more valuable

yes meeks is a teacher and could help guys with cues and reads in a zone. i remember him teaching marshall and captain at tc 2 years ago. after plays he would go over and quiz them.

[bleys]

he wouldn't, has someone proposed that he would?

yes.

The JJ 4-3 traditionally uses zone cover for DBs. With us keeping Meeks, a guy who mostly trains zone, if we draft Peterson, a guy who is a man cover corner, and use zone coverage, that's not exactly getting the most bang for your buck

a pass rush is more valuable

alright, that makes sense.. I was curious, and thinking that people meant just because Meeks knows zone, that will dictate to Rivera/McDermott their game plan.. not paying attention that keeping Meeks most likely shows Rivera's intention..

[CRA]

The JJ 4-3 traditionally uses zone cover for DBs. With us keeping Meeks, a guy who mostly trains zone, if we draft Peterson, a guy who is a man cover corner, and use zone coverage, that's not exactly getting the most bang for your buck

a pass rush is more valuable

after Fairley.....that makes Bowers>Peterson

[panthers55]

As RB points out, Rivera kept Meeks as the DB coach because he likes the way he teaches the defensive backs and his mastery of zone defense covers. It isn't Meeks dictating anything but Rivera finding the best guy to teach the schemes he will run. And that guy is Meeks. Meeks runs an aggresive attacking secondary but didn't do a good job in generating pressure on the quarterback and limiting the run. McDermott and Rivera know how to generate the pass rush. Together they will be a great team.

But it means we wil primarily run a zone scheme most likely which raises the notion of whether a man coverage corner will make as much of an impact as a DT at this point. I tend to agree with him that a guy like Fairley makes more sense no matter how good Peterson is:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php

This kind of expresses my opinion as well

With Andrew Luck going back to school, this pick is now down to three players: A.J. Green, Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley. Mel Kiper went with Fairley, while Sun Tan Man has Bowers has No. 1.

I can't agree with the latter. First of all, Bowers fills the lesser of the three needs between wide receiver, defensive tackle and defensive end. And second, Bowers is an athletic freak who posted great numbers this year, but he has some really bad tape and one has to wonder why he didn't produce in his first two years at Clemson.

Fairley satisfies the greatest need, and I think there's a much greater chance he's the No. 1 pick in the wake of his tremendous Co-National Championship performance (congrats, by the way, to Auburn and TCU for winning it all.)

Meanwhile, Green, in my opinion, is the best available talent. I believe he is the next of the elite receivers in the mold of Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Steve Smith is a rapidly declining player, so it's not like the Panthers don't need a wideout. We actually have an interesting thread about Green going first overall on the forum.

But is Green the consensus best player? Not according to my Consensus 2011 NFL Draft Big Board. The best player is a tie between Fairley and Patrick Peterson, and Peterson's not a possibility because the Panthers don't need a corner.

I think this pick will come down to the Combine and Pro Day workouts. You can really make a strong argument for both Green and Fairley, but the latter appears to have the edge right now based on how he dominated the Oregon and SEC offensive lines down the stretch.

As for the quarterback position, I believe the Panthers will sign Billy Volek, who will follow Ron Rivera to Carolina. Volek can start for a year until the Panthers find a long-term solution at quarterback because it's quite apparent that Jimmy Clausen is not the answer.

I made a huge mistake when I really underestimated how important it is not to be a loser in college. If you're a winner as a quarterback, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll succeed in the NFL. However, if you can't win, I think it says something about your attitude. And I'm not just referring to wins and losses. Clausen is not a leader; conversely, he seems to have this Matt Leinart-esque sense of entitlement.

Clausen just doesn't seem to have "it." Granted, he had no help from his teammates - malcontent Steve Smith dropped a ton of passes and the offensive line refused to block - but Clausen lost all confidence in himself and his body language was absolutely abysmal. Maybe he can get it together somewhere down the road, but he's not even close to being ready as an NFL starter.

[Snake]

I think a good defense will use both well. Being too one way or another will allow teams to pick you apart.

[Urrymonster]

I also think this is why we won't go for the best cover corner in free agency - Aso.

Whilst you obviously you want elements of both, JJ's and subsequently Rivera's/McDermott's philosophy is primarily zone and zone blitzing to create confusion. Peterson or Aso would be great, but physical corners would get much more out of our scheme than pure man coverage corners.

Obviously this is pure speculation due to the unknown actual philosophy.

[KSpan]

I think a good defense will use both well. Being too one way or another will allow teams to pick you apart.

I feel like I've seen examples of that recently, but I can't quite place where...

/sarcasm.

[bleys]

I also think this is why we won't go for the best cover corner in free agency - Aso.

Whilst you obviously you want elements of both, JJ's and subsequently Rivera's/McDermott's philosophy is primarily zone and zone blitzing to create confusion. Peterson or Aso would be great, but physical corners would get much more out of our scheme than pure man coverage corners.

Obviously this is pure speculation due to the unknown actual philosophy.

well Gamble and Marshall are physical corners, and Peterson as well... Peterson actually fits their profile..

[Panthro]

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