Cam Newton Workout Phenomenal

[Snake]

:D

[Mr. Scot]

But to say, "I don't care how he worked out." The way Maycock did, then to use the Russell workout to prove he is a genius is insincere. He also spent the whole Senior Week pumping Locker as everyone else (or at least some of the NFL scouts in attendance) were saying his stock was plummeting that week.

Really? Mayock: Locker struggles to throw from the pocket :sosp:

What Mayock is saying in regard to Newton is that game tape tells you more than a workout does. Workouts don't reproduce actual game conditions, so it's generally best to go by game tape over workout results.

Another guy said that this past week too. Guy by the name of Ron Rivera...

[mav1234]

I'm a little tired of people using Russell's workout as justification why another QB would be a failure.

The scouts didn't fail Russell. They were right. Russell failed Russell. Hindsight is amazing but Qakland didn't make a bad selection. Russell was the most gifted QB prospect to come out in a long time. People spoke of his abilities the same way people speak of Luck right now.

Russell failed. Not the scouts, not the Raiders, not the media.

But to say, "I don't care how he worked out." The way Maycock did, then to use the Russell workout to prove he is a genius is insincere. He also spent the whole Senior Week pumping Locker as everyone else (or at least some of the NFL scouts in attendance) were saying his stock was plummeting that week.

sigh.

The point is that workouts mean little.

Practices are not workouts. They are quite different. Mayock was saying he has found other workouts to be very impressive too but they don't influence where he thinks a player should go.

[Matt Moore]

Bon Voyage KT and Jangler!

[TheRealDeal]

Wondered where you were today. ;)

I've only seen 3 fuging seconds of it, so I can't say. ESPN kept replaying the same clip of him, blah.

That's my point exactly. People are getting uppity over 3 seconds and Trent Dilfer comments. Dilfer is usually well spoken but he's been under fire recently for some of his assessments. People just need to chill out for a while.

I can't wait till scouts get to break down that 3 seconds of footage and that one pass they showed him throw.

[ickmule]

wow, 39 pages for this. Just great.

[Mr. Scot]

That's my point exactly. People are getting uppity over 3 seconds and Trent Dilfer comments. Dilfer is usually well spoken but he's been under fire recently for some of his assessments. People just need to chill out for a while.

I can't wait till scouts get to break down that 3 seconds of footage and that one pass they showed him throw.

Sadly, one clip of one highlight on one game is often all it takes for some fans to proclaim "this guy is the greatest player ever; we've got to get him " :nonod:

[C47]

Gotta switch your view to 40 posts per page man....

[teeray]

sigh.

The point is that workouts mean little.

Practices are not workouts. They are quite different. Mayock was saying he has found other workouts to be very impressive too but they don't influence where he thinks a player should go.

Then why does every scout go to the combine?? Might as well stay home and watch film right. Why do they even have private workouts?? Just watch film right?? :eek:

[theyhateme45]

Derp but did Ben transition derp?

I'm sick of this argument. Unless you are willing to come out and say "I think this guy is too stupid to learn a new offense.", then get off the subject. This workout was designed to show he could make offensive adjustments, and EVERYONE who was there is saying he can.

BCG Let's be honest and objective here!!!!!

The work out did not show he could make offensive adjustment... it more so went to showing that he is a coachable player!!!

Cam has some things going for him.

1) Hands down he is an athletic, physical, fit player for the QB position. QB's have his attributes does not come along often.

2) He is showing that he is coachable!! I say that for two reasons...1st) He showed today that he can listen and make adjustments with good coaching (This happen when Warren Moon had a quick discussion to fix some a error he was making on his passes, and he did and it showed.... 2nd) It has been said and I find it true that he has showed progress in every game he's played this year.... This improving from coaching.

3) Some people have his Character/ Dedication/ Ethics is a negative, A lot say a huge question mark, I actually believe it is a positive. From what I've seen I think that he has the will of fire in him to be great and do whatever necessary to win. He does not come off immature like VY, or Lazy and $$$ hungry like Jawalrus Russel. I think he has more of the Brady, Rodgers, other elite QB in him to do what it takes to win and be elite.

Now for the Major negative....

1) Unproven in that he can make the NFL reads/ quick decisions to be successful. It is a fact that Cam only threw the ball 280 times this year mostly from shotgun while running the ball almost just as many times with 264 carries. He was 80th in the NCAA in passing attempts and less than some players who were injured during the season....This backups the fact the he is very inexperience in really throwing the ball (in their run first offense) let alone executing a pass first or pro style oriented pass attack.

Everyone pretty much agrees that his offense was a very simple, easy read offense. NOW THIS DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN NOT LEARN.... only that it is a risk that he may not get to the point where he can quickly make NFL type reads... That is a Huge jump to make from where he is now! That is the huge risk factor.

It was even said today that in order to prepare for the NFL he has just started working on reading defensive fronts, nickel backs and their blitzes, and another time of rush/coverage... fire zone or something I think. This goes to shows he has A LOT to learn, and he knows there is a lot he needs to learn.

This is what gets a lot of players trying to make that jump from College to the NFL. The game never slows down for them. They study all the tape, do all the preparation, but they just can't do it.

An example of this is Brady Quinn. The coaches has later said he has the BEST work ethics, the will to be great, always first in and the last out.... But it wasn't enough... He just wasn't capable, the game never slowed down for him. I'm sure Jimmy want's to be great... You can see fire and dedication from some QB's who suck... Derek Anderson... But it does not guarantee successful. The same way it can not be guaranteed the game will slow down for CAM just with hard work and because he wants it too.

So that's the risk in my opinion. He has a huge jump to make the countless others have failed in terms of learning offenses, establishing control over it, and making the game slow down enough for him. Can he do it??? YES, but there is also a high chance he can't, which is where the RISK in drafting him is.

Still at the end of the day, right now I believe he is worth the risk. The upside is massive if he can make that jump. I believe it might take a couple of years, but I do think he can get there. And if he does he will be our franchise QB leading us to great things for years and years to come.

[teeray]

Plus Russell was just as impressive on film as he was in his workouts.

[C47]

Then why does every scout go to the combine?? Might as well stay home and watch film right. Why do they even have private workouts?? Just watch film right?? :eek:

Because of course 40 times, bench presses and verticals matter but breaking down game film is much more important in projecting a players success. I'm not even sure how anyone could dispute this.....

[King Taharqa]

wow, 39 pages for this. Just great.

Just imagine what its gonna be like when we draft him. Our QBs now couldnt buy that kind of interest and buzz if they tried. I mean even username "Matt Moore" took his pic down and made Cam's his avy. Dude is just more entertaining. Even his haters would rather talk about him than who we got now. :yesnod:

[Mr. Scot]

Then why does every scout go to the combine?? Might as well stay home and watch film right. Why do they even have private workouts?? Just watch film right?? :eek:

Because the measurable stuff can be used to decide between two guys that you have an equal grade on.

Occasionally, you do get a team that's dumb enough to move a guy up way higher than they had him graded before just because he was a workout warrior.

That's how you end up drafting a guy like Mike Mamula in the first round.